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Covfefe 19: now in 3D

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BassAle said:
That’s different than hanging out at the bar.

I’ll probably have to run a few errands. And I’m sure my wife or I will have to go into the office some. We will still try to limit our contact with other people as much as we can to try to avoid becoming infected or infecting someone else.

If it gets bad our choices about where we can go and when will be made for us...
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Your business setting is kind of like a college campus, lots of folks and many buildings. Are they shutting down? I know they can't completely as someone still has to take care of animals but????

BTW, this thread is pretty freakin' depressing.
 
walrus said:
Your business setting is kind of like a college campus, lots of folks and many buildings. Are they shutting down? I know they can't completely as someone still has to take care of animals but????

BTW, this thread is pretty freakin' depressing.
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Will likely be a mix of work from home for those that can and shifts to limit person to person contact for those that can’t

I’m going in to my office today to grab an extra monitor to make my work from home situation better.
 
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Well, this is going to be an interesting day of traveling home. Starting off at -17F in Banff, hope the rental starts up, let alone any issues with clearing immigration and customs before I board.

Trying to figure out how I will social distance at the airports today. Skip the SkyClub in MSP and sit in a corner?
 
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Lots of pages over night.... Funny that people don't understand that the people who don't get sick are the primary driver of spreading any disease.

The best of the best example of that are the European explorers who came to North America and wiped out millions and millions of people. They were all in good health, and wanted to have the freedom of exploring the world. Net result with the total wipe out of all established societies in the Western Hemisphere.

Is that a better example to understand?

The other key part is infected does not equal sick. Sick is a subset of being infected. If you don't know you are infected, why take a chance of getting it and spreading it to people who actually are vulnerable? "The Rules' are not perfect, but are a way to lessen the risk- which is good when you have no choice but to go out and get something. Whereas the most effective thing is to just not go out.

Overnight, Michigan's cases went up a lot- not that people are getting sicker faster at this point- we are finally testing more people.

The political rant- it's interesting that this is more being put on each state to respond based on the lack of leadership (purposely, IMHO) from the federal. R's have been spending decades reducing state governments and cutting taxes to pare them down to being pretty ineffective (roads suck, schools suck, colleges are hyper expensive, etc), and now even with the major cuts, they are being more effective in dealing with this than the federal response.

Libritarianism is not an effective form of government. Is that clear now? Cutting government is not an effective way to run a country. Yes, it sucks when you see your government waste your tax dollars, I hate that too. But the side effect of obsessing about that is what we have now. This isn't governing, this is doing nothing.

Governing would be managing this as a system, including the massive amounts of people flying home at the same time- which is a 100% expected result of cutting countries off of travel- duh.

Governing would not be hoping that things get better on their own, and knowing is a bad thing.

Ugh.
 
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The Rube said:
And that's where I am having an issue. If I want to go out to eat, I shouldn't feel guilty about it, assuming rules/risks/etc. Going to the grocery store is no different of a risk than going out to eat.
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If you are in a grocery store your sustained contact with a set of individuals is low. It is not absent but for the most part you are not going to be in the presence of someone for a long time. Even if you stand in line the cart provides a spacer. This is a necessary activity. You go, you do your business and then you leave. You can, to the best of your ability avoid contact and chose what you want to touch. You go home, wash your hands, change your clothes and you have done the best you can.

In a restaurant you are in a space where you have multiple contacts with the same people, no control who has touched the stuff you do and no way of knowing if the person, who will be touching your stuff is a vector. If you are an asymptomatic carrier you can infect the staff. They then can infect someone else. The restaurant is not a necessary activity. It is a choice.

We cannot be the boy in the plastic bubble but we should be minimizing any potential exposure.

Your inability to understand this concept (which I have to believe is legit, not flaming) is the reason that spread happens. In our culture people cannot get over the entitlement of personal gratification as more important than the need for social responsibility. If something might infringe on their rights to do something they want or will make them happy then it is bad. There are all sorts of complaints that no one should be expected to sacrifice, its not real, etc.

Woke up this morning thinking the best analogy to watching this roll out is something like a disaster movie. You see the start of the hole in the hull, the floods below decks, the panic of the people who are confronted with the water rushing in and then cut to the people on the top decks partying, having a good time. When someone finally starts to tell the partiers they are in danger, they laugh at the messenger, call them a fool as they grab another drink. When the ship starts to sink in earnest they suddenly are panic stricken, angry,affronted because there are not enough lifeboats
 
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Flipping around the TV...most stations (even Chris Wallace) have on experts and medical professionals...Fox Morning Show...Dr. OZ! You cant make up that level of stupid.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ted Cruz says AOC giving "good advice" about coronavirus precautions <a href="https://t.co/rp6c6hBHsB">https://t.co/rp6c6hBHsB</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1239185131463720960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fox Business says host Trisha Regan on "hiatus" following controversial coronavirus remarks <a href="https://t.co/kuSMflBSKn">https://t.co/kuSMflBSKn</a> <a href="https://t.co/EoY3Cd6z2G">pic.twitter.com/EoY3Cd6z2G</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1239184844208439297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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The announcement from Fox Business came amid fallout from Regan’s claims that the coronavirus is “another attempt to impeach” President Trump.
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Just another ****ing idiot on Fox News polluting the public with BS from a position of authority. It's no wonder we're all ****ing doomed.
 
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The Rube said:
If you follow the rules, you will not spread it. That's the point.
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You can follow all the rules, and still get infected. Viruses don't care about rules.

Once you're infected, during that 2-14 day period before you start showing symptoms, you are shedding virus around to everyone you meet. That's why you don't go out to bars or other places where people are packed close together.

Can you not understand that?
 
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The Rube said:
I said "mostly immune." Not 100%. "Mostly."

And yes, it's on surfaces for days, but again, FOLLOW THE RULES. If you sanitize, per the guidelines, and are a not an at-risk...you're good. The devil is in the details, and you all are ignoring that.
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"At Risk" means at risk of dying from it. Not contracting it.

Anyone can get infected. And be a carrier. No matter how much you sanitize or wash your hands.

Are you that ****ing stupid?
 
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SJHovey said:
I think this is an important point. I agree we can learn a lot about what is happening elsewhere. But when you look at those charts, the numbers are almost exactly like Italy’s even though our population is 5.5 times as large.

We’ve got maybe 900,000 hospital beds whereas they have less than 200,000. I think we were running around 95% of capacity. If Italy was close to that before this problem, they had maybe 7000 open beds compared with our 35,000. You find yourself with 10,000 cases, it’s a big difference.

Could we get to Italy if we let this get out of control? Sure. But we’re in a lot better situation than they were at the same point of the disease progression in their country.
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No we're not, cause we aren't testing.
 
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ted Cruz says AOC giving "good advice" about coronavirus precautions <a href="https://t.co/rp6c6hBHsB">https://t.co/rp6c6hBHsB</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1239185131463720960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Wow. Ted Cruz with more common sense than Brent. Just mind-boggling.
 
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Yet I’m still seeing people going out to bars to celebrate stuff in social media.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shout out to Gen X, the only generation who can keep our asses at home without being told, the mother****ing latchkey kids, the generation used to being neglected by ****ing everyone. We’ll be the only ones left.</p>— Lauren Hough (@laurenthehough) <a href="https://twitter.com/laurenthehough/status/1239092959792029698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">your reminder that every Republican now self-quarantining is on record as having mocked the coronavirus as a Democratic and/or media hoax</p>— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) <a href="https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1238916209606832128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">your reminder that every Republican now self-quarantining voted to acquit this ****er</p>— Jeff Tiedrich (@itsJeffTiedrich) <a href="https://twitter.com/itsJeffTiedrich/status/1238207230924767238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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