Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

[rufus]

But there's property to be defended!

And hey, if in the course of defending that property, you get to cap a couple scruffy hippies, well, that's a feature, not a bug. After all, isn't that the dream fantasy for owning all those guns in the first place?

 

[Stauber1]

I don't know the circumstances surrounding the cop's shooting of Reinoehl other than what is written in your link. But what is clear is that Reinoehl's story about his admitted shooting of the guy in Portland is a complete fabrication, if you look at the NYT link in the Vice News story. The Times story has a detailed timeline with videos showing both men, and Reinoehl's story that he was going to the defense of his "dear friend" is nonsense. He hunted the guy down and confronted him. The guy sprayed mace in Reinoehl's direction, then turned and walked away. Reinoehl took a couple of steps to follow him, then appears to have shot the guy in the back.

The cops may have very well executed this guy, but he publicly admitted he was armed and he publicly admitted he shot someone a couple of days earlier. If you are that guy, and the cops come from you, they'll be coming with guns out.

I dont know what video you are referring to, but that's not an accurate description of what happened in the video published by The Oregonian and other outlets. There was shouting, the shooter and another man were walking away and being pursued. The shooter turns to face, he is maced, and then he fires almost immediately after the mace was discharged.

Please don't mistake this as an attempted defense of the killing.
Clearly he already had the gun in his hand, and the footage does not show what happened leading up to the shooter being pursued.

 

[rufus]

I dont know what video you are referring to, but that's not an accurate description of what happened in the video published by The Oregonian and other outlets. There was shouting, the shooter and another man were walking away and being pursued. The shooter turns to face, he is maced, and then he fires almost immediately after the mace was discharged.

Please don't mistake this as an attempted defense of the killing.
Clearly he already had the gun in his hand, and the footage does not show what happened leading up to the shooter being pursued.

So he was assaulted with pepper spray? Just defending himself? Like Rittenhouse?

Looks like the white supremacists picked the wrong libt@rd to fuk with. Playing dress-up warrior isn't as much fun when the people shoot back at you.

 

[SJHovey]

I dont know what video you are referring to, but that's not an accurate description of what happened in the video published by The Oregonian and other outlets. There was shouting, the shooter and another man were walking away and being pursued. The shooter turns to face, he is maced, and then he fires almost immediately after the mace was discharged.

Please don't mistake this as an attempted defense of the killing.
Clearly he already had the gun in his hand, and the footage does not show what happened leading up to the shooter being pursued.

As I wrote in my post, use Kep’s link to find the NYT story. They have multiple videos with the actors highlighted.

 

[Kepler]

Playing dress-up warrior isn't as much fun when the people shoot back at you.

It is painfully obvious that these 3%ers and Proud Boys and Oath Keepers cowards will cry like babies the instant somebody fights back. They are classic bullies. They grip their guns all the tighter because as men they are desperate, empty, flop-sweat failures.

The right are uneducated and increasingly low intelligence, but more than that the right are losers. Their rhetoric and their weapons are crutches because as men standing on their own merits they are nothing.

 

[Kepler]

Why the hell would a Boogaloo help Hamas?

edit: https://twitter.com/SalHernandez/status/1302018915980124160

Apparently the "Enemy of My Enemy..." was the reason. They contacted Hamas to help overthrow the US Government.

(((Common enemy)))

 

[rufus]

Blue Lives Matter.

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2020

 

[Handyman]

Working At a Hotel While Black

Same cop also in trouble for tazing someone for Being a dad While Black.

 

[Handyman]

Come On

When Golda Barton dialed 911 on Friday, she hoped emergency responders could help hospitalize her 13-year-old son, who has Asperger syndrome and was having a mental crisis.

Instead, a Salt Lake City police officer repeatedly shot Linden Cameron after he ran away, leaving the boy in serious condition with injuries to his intestines, bladder, shoulder and ankles. Barton says he was unarmed, and police said they didn’t find a weapon at the scene.
“He’s a small child. Why didn’t you just tackle him?” Barton said in a tearful interview with KUTV on Sunday. “He’s a baby. He has mental issues.”

Barton said she’s gotten few answers from police. Salt Lake City’s mayor pledged on Sunday that an investigation into the incident would be quick.

Autism is the new Black...

 

[First Time Long Time]

And yes ...people are defending it.
This country is fucking sick.

 

[rufus]

Tackle him? That would mean the cop would have had to..........................run. As in, exert himself.

That ain't happening. So much easier to just pull the gun and fire away. Won't even break a sweat.

 

[Kepler]

And yes ...people are defending it.
This country is ****ing sick.

The people defending it are sick. It's not "the country" any more than the country is wonderful because of Habitat for Humanity.

I keep harping on this because it's important not to give the enemy legitimacy by giving them the default. These sickos are an anomaly -- they are a virus. I'm having this same argument with another poster over the essential nature of America. If we identify all that is wrong with the country with the country then we are a doctor saying that a sick patient is the sickness. In that case, why save him?

But we -- all of us individually added up -- are the country. So by saying "this country is the problem" we would be saying "we should just kill ourselves." And that's no good because (1) it's not what we really mean when we identify what is wrong in society, and (2) it's not a practical message to spread to the huge mass of people just trying to get through the day.

So: the people defending it are sick, and we -- the country -- have to contain their influence to do ill to us, and that starts by keeping them away from all power.

 

[Slap Shot]

The NYT for all of its warts has a good investigative video on the Breonna Taylor murder, although I don't know which platform you would find it on the U.S.

 

[First Time Long Time]

The people defending it are sick. It's not "the country" any more than the country is wonderful because of Habitat for Humanity.

I keep harping on this because it's important not to give the enemy legitimacy by giving them the default. These sickos are an anomaly -- they are a virus. I'm having this same argument with another poster over the essential nature of America. If we identify all that is wrong with the country with the country then we are a doctor saying that a sick patient is the sickness. In that case, why save him?

But we -- all of us individually added up -- are the country. So by saying "this country is the problem" we would be saying "we should just kill ourselves." And that's no good because (1) it's not what we really mean when we identify what is wrong in society, and (2) it's not a practical message to spread to the huge mass of people just trying to get through the day.

So: the people defending it are sick, and we -- the country -- have to contain their influence to do ill to us, and that starts by keeping them away from all power.

The country is sick. Try to split that hair all you want. The. Country. Is. Sick.

 

[aparch]

The NYT for all of its warts has a good investigative video on the Breonna Taylor murder, although I don't know which platform you would find it on the U.S.

On tv on FX and streaming on HULU here in the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/the-killing-of-breonna-taylor.html

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

The people defending it are sick. It's not "the country" any more than the country is wonderful because of Habitat for Humanity.

I keep harping on this because it's important not to give the enemy legitimacy by giving them the default. These sickos are an anomaly -- they are a virus. I'm having this same argument with another poster over the essential nature of America. If we identify all that is wrong with the country with the country then we are a doctor saying that a sick patient is the sickness. In that case, why save him?

But we -- all of us individually added up -- are the country. So by saying "this country is the problem" we would be saying "we should just kill ourselves." And that's no good because (1) it's not what we really mean when we identify what is wrong in society, and (2) it's not a practical message to spread to the huge mass of people just trying to get through the day.

So: the people defending it are sick, and we -- the country -- have to contain their influence to do ill to us, and that starts by keeping them away from all power.

You act sometimes as if this is a simple removal of an unsightly wart, or perhaps a cancer that requires some more invasive and difficult treatment like surgery followed by chemo and radiation. Something that can and often is done with remarkable success. It isn't Kep. It just isn't.

40% of the country's cells are cancerous. 40%. If that was a human body it would be dead, and enough death would be left over enough to kill 99 other people with cancer. We are teetering on the brink of a dissolution of the country, and that dissolution will almost certainly bring with it violence. Perhaps violence on a scale not seen here in over 150 years.

Now we can put the country on a better path. It would hopefully have started this November 3rd. But even then it will take a generation to make this country responsibly safe and welcoming, and another generation after that to hopefully ensure those ideals are the ones that triumph. Few people are alive today who will live to see this country approach what its ideals truly are. It is a fight worth undertaking, but you make it sound like an election and some soul-searching will solve everything.

Our problems are not an anomaly. They are a feature and not a bug of the 330,000,000 of us. There are probably close to 75,000,000 adults who make up your so-called "anomaly." Most of those 75,000,000 people are a waste of humanity and we'd be better off without them. Most are also heavily armed and prepared for some form of shooting war.

it isn't hopeless, but correcting what is REALLY wrong with this country will be like fighting WWII AND a moonshot combined.

 

[Kepler]

You act sometimes as if this is a simple removal of an unsightly wart, or perhaps a cancer that requires some more invasive and difficult treatment like surgery followed by chemo and radiation. Something that can and often is done with remarkable success. It isn't Kep. It just isn't.

40% of the country's cells are cancerous. 40%. If that was a human body it would be dead, and enough death would be left over enough to kill 99 other people with cancer. We are teetering on the brink of a dissolution of the country, and that dissolution will almost certainly bring with it violence. Perhaps violence on a scale not seen here in over 150 years.

Now we can put the country on a better path. It would hopefully have started this November 3rd. But even then it will take a generation to make this country responsibly safe and welcoming, and another generation after that to hopefully ensure those ideals are the ones that triumph. Few people are alive today who will live to see this country approach what its ideals truly are. It is a fight worth undertaking, but you make it sound like an election and some soul-searching will solve everything.

Our problems are not an anomaly. They are a feature and not a bug of the 330,000,000 of us. There are probably close to 75,000,000 adults who make up your so-called "anomaly." Most of those 75,000,000 people are a waste of humanity and we'd be better off without them. Most are also heavily armed and prepared for some form of shooting war.

it isn't hopeless, but correcting what is REALLY wrong with this country will be like fighting WWII AND a moonshot combined.

This is all true, but the carrying capacity of a country for these lowlives is pretty d-mn high. It isn't as if suddenly this huge swath of America became stupid and vicious. The vast majority of them have always been this way.

Every intelligent person realizes at about 12 years old that the only way to navigate in a world in which such a large percentage of the population is violent and stupid is to keep our heads down. That's why, until very recently, all of public life from media to politics bent over backwards to bottle feed these f-cks. The fact that they are no longer being fellated every second has got them into a murderous rage, which is the only reason they seem more numerous now.

It is very much like America finally growing up and joining the rest of the West and acknowledging religion is a system of myths best understood as something like fantasy literature. Intelligent people have known this forever. In all other periods the dopes were so numerous we simply pretended to go along with it. It was easy to manipulate them, for one thing, and it was pointless to try to educate them since they had already proved by the conduct of their lives they could not make the leap.

Paradoxically it is the progress we have made that now has the MAGA losers in such a lather they appear to be growing. This is the first time we've ever played it straight and told them no, you can't have your idiocy poisoning better minds anymore, you're the short bus. We are writing them out of the narrative and they're in shock. Not just because they thought they had a divine right to always control the surface of things, but because, being so slow, they never conceived they were being humored because they were a mindless peril.

These are the steps necessary to put these f-cks in their place: the remainders bin. Of course it's going to be hard. Dying animals are unpredictable and dangerous. But we're going to get there. We have 10,000 years of momentum. Without the need for mass agriculture, industry, or armies, there simply no longer is a need to keep the apes around.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

This is all true, but the carrying capacity of a country for these lowlives is pretty d-mn high. It isn't as if suddenly this huge swath of America became stupid and vicious. The vast majority of them have always been this way.

Every intelligent person realizes at about 12 years old that the only way to navigate in a world in which such a large percentage of the population is violent and stupid is to keep our heads down. That's why, until very recently, all of public life from media to politics bent over backwards to bottle feed these f-cks. The fact that they are no longer being fellated every second has got them into a murderous rage, which is the only reason they seem more numerous now.

It is very much like America finally growing up and joining the rest of the West and acknowledging religion is a system of myths best understood as something like fantasy literature. Intelligent people have known this forever. In all other periods the dopes were so numerous we simply pretended to go along with it. It was easy to manipulate them, for one thing, and it was pointless to try to educate them since they had already proved by the conduct of their lives they could not make the leap.

Paradoxically it is the progress we have made that now has the MAGA losers in such a lather they appear to be growing. This is the first time we've ever played it straight and told them no, you can't have your idiocy poisoning better minds anymore, you're the short bus. We are writing them out of the narrative and they're in shock. Not just because they thought they had a divine right to always control the surface of things, but because, being so slow, they never conceived they were being humored because they were a mindless peril.

These are the steps necessary to put these f-cks in their place: the remainders bin. Of course it's going to be hard. Dying animals are unpredictable and dangerous. But we're going to get there. We have 10,000 years of momentum. Without the need for mass agriculture, industry, or armies, there simply no longer is a need to keep the apes around.

I respectfully disagree with so much of this Kep. While we didn't suddenly give birth to the 40% of this country that I'd like to see wiped out, it is bigger than it was a generation ago. And many of those who did exist in generations past did not so openly act out their fantasies of race wars and the like. Right wing terrorism is far more prevalent in the 21st century than the part of the 20 century I spent as an adult.

While only anecdotal, I have seen it in my own extended family. 25 years ago I was one of the most conservative members of my family. Now much of my generation of cousins (there are A LOT of us, both my mom and dad had a boat load of siblings and like my 9 person family many also had huge broods) are full on trump MAGAts. Friends who 20 years ago I thought were apolitical and had no desire to waste time taking sides on hot button issues are now full on covid deniers and full on gun nuts, spewing their trump love on social media.

Frankly I don't think this is a problem that will be solved little by little or incrementally. It resembles whack-a-mole too much that way. We knock a hundred off and 97 are there to take their place. And now they have the cops. That is perhaps one of the single biggest issues and why I feel so harshly about law enforcement as I do. If we could fix law enforcement once and for all it would go a long way to pushing the mouth breathers back into the shadows and doing less damage.

I guess I wish I shared your optimism about our prospects and about what we are facing. I'd probably enjoy myself a little more and I'd probably have far fewer un-Christian thoughts.

 

[Slap Shot]

I respectfully disagree with so much of this Kep. While we didn't suddenly give birth to the 40% of this country that I'd like to see wiped out, it is bigger than it was a generation ago. And many of those who did exist in generations past did not so openly act out their fantasies of race wars and the like. Right wing terrorism is far more prevalent in the 21st century than the part of the 20 century I spent as an adult.

While only anecdotal, I have seen it in my own extended family. 25 years ago I was one of the most conservative members of my family. Now much of my generation of cousins (there are A LOT of us, both my mom and dad had a boat load of siblings and like my 9 person family many also had huge broods) are full on trump MAGAts. Friends who 20 years ago I thought were apolitical and had no desire to waste time taking sides on hot button issues are now full on covid deniers and full on gun nuts, spewing their trump love on social media.

I'd be curious which topics your typical MAGA of today supported 20 years ago that these supposed newcomers wouldn't also have supported. I agree with Kep - the 40% always existed. The difference today is not only do they have a dozen platforms of which to bloviate their hatred through that didn't exist then, they're more emboldened than ever to not hide any longer.

 

[Handyman]

20 years ago (30 years ago for sure) the GOP would have been different. Most of the Q crowd would have never been associated with the GOP...they would have been closer to the Proud Bois who want to overthrow the Government. I use this example a lot but Timothy McVeigh, Ruby Ridge, Waco...all of those people hated everything about the Big Government and back then it was run by George HW Bush. Their brand of reactionary conservatism would have been so far beyond what the GOP ever wanted to deal with on this level they would have been put at the kids table and ignored. Back then the GOP was smart enough to know you dont bring in the crazies because they arent beholden to the grift that your platform desires. You bilk them for donations and then ignore them.

Sorry but the 40% we are seeing now didnt exist then...crackpots always existed but they were the fringe. Now the crackpots have merged with the racists, the militias and the GOP to create a witches brew that is all new. 20 years ago 40% of the people would not have bought into Q...now it is literally the platform for one of the two major parties. The MAGA are something new...a coalition that is downright scary. The GOP opened Pandora's Box...

America has always, and will always, have its groups of crazies, scaries, stupids and evils. That is just part of living in a society. This is different though. Think of it this way you can have 25 random things in your house all of them fairly common and benign. You combine them though and they merge into something new and dangerous. That is what the MAGAytes are and we cant put them back in the box any more.