Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

[Deleted member 3166]

Hey Ames, this might be a good time for you to just lay low...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Police officer Derek Chauvin has been arrested and is in custody for the murder of George Floyd. The first step towards justice.</p>— Amy Klobuchar (@amyklobuchar) <a href="https://twitter.com/amyklobuchar/status/1266417894256238593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Because people got facts wrong and rushed to judgement?
Hennepin County released a statement today that Klobuchar wasn't involved in the lack of prosecution for Chaupin because she had left the office by the time it happened.

 

[J.D.]

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To be fair, it's not like Mike Pence took Kaepernick's right to protest away from him. Kaepernick didn't break any laws like out of control rioters. Leaving a football game because someone kneeled as a protest is ridiculous to me but to each their own.

 

[geezer]

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Because people got facts wrong and rushed to judgement?
Hennepin County released a statement today that Klobuchar wasn't involved in the lack of prosecution for Chaupin because she had left the office by the time it happened.

That's not true, except for the most recent instances and the videotaped murder. There were EIGHTEEN actionable complaints against him that she couldn't cover up fast enough.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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To be fair, it's not like Mike Pence took Kaepernick's right to protest away from him. Kaepernick didn't break any laws like out of control rioters. Leaving a football game because someone kneeled as a protest is ridiculous to me but to each their own.

No. He was just in the long list of people that condemned the peaceful protest and didn't listen to it. He's a white man in power. If he had listened to it and acted on it, it would have carried weight. Instead he ridiculed and ignored. We see the results of that action today.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I was wrong

I apologize

 

[state of hockey]

To be fair, it's not like Mike Pence took Kaepernick's right to protest away from him. Kaepernick didn't break any laws like out of control rioters. Leaving a football game because someone kneeled as a protest is ridiculous to me but to each their own.

Is leaving the game in an effort to delegitimize their protest "standing for their right"? I don't see the tweet claiming he tried to make it against the law.

 

[geezer]

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To be fair, it's not like Mike Pence took Kaepernick's right to protest away from him. Kaepernick didn't break any laws like out of control rioters. Leaving a football game because someone kneeled as a protest is ridiculous to me but to each their own.

It says a lot about him that he couldn't even stand to be in the same stadium as a black man who wants to be regarded as a human person. Pence should be retired from public service ASAP.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

That's not true, except for the most recent instances and the videotaped murder. There were EIGHTEEN actionable complaints against him that she couldn't cover up fast enough.

Oh good lord.
Learn how hard prosecuting and convicting cops is before you spout off.
Your pearl clutching is noted.

 

[J.D.]

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I agree with Rover that voting is a huge part of the solution. Nothing will be fixed just from voting Trump out. But you start electing functional, intelligent, young politicians and stack that up over time and you'll get results. Trump, quite obviously, is not the right guy to lead the charge on this issue. And thus ends my dumb post.

 

[J.D.]

Is leaving the game in an effort to delegitimize their protest "standing for their right"? I don't see the tweet claiming he tried to make it against the law.

I took it as people have the right to a peaceful protest, not necessarily standing for the cause or pointthey are tryingto make. That's the difference. But remember, a lot of people still don't even understand what Kaepernick was protesting.

 

[geezer]

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Oh good lord.
Learn how hard prosecuting and convicting cops is before you spout off.
Your pearl clutching is noted.

Too hard? I'm not sure what the alternative is. Only prosecute the easy cases? Only prosecute people who aren't in positions of power? I guess, if making sure your job stays "easy" is the only goal.
If you're a fan of Amy's politically, I feel for you, but you want to hear a true tragicomedy? My girl in Michigan, Whitmer (another long-lister at one time) was scuttled by her hubbie trying to sneak out the back door to go fishing during the lockdown right during all the protests against people not being allowed to go fishing. So, yeah... let's both get on board with Kamala.

 

[Kepler]

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There are no words.

To our African American fellow citizens I say this. Given his own experience with an out of control FBI and unfair investigations, President Trump knows how poisonous an out of control law enforcement process can be. -- Laura Ingraham

 

[Spartanforlife4]

I took it as people have the right to a peaceful protest, not necessarily standing for the cause or pointthey are tryingto make. That's the difference. But remember, a lot of people still don't even understand what Kaepernick was protesting.

Pence is saying that now to try to have the moral high ground, but all of 2016-17 was spent with a hardline campaign to delegitimize the protests. It was made very clear by the right that it wasn’t ok to peacefully protest. Call POWs losers? A-ok. Insult a gold star member’s family? No problem. Kneel? Wow, very un-American.

Not to mention his stunt at the Colts cost a quarter million in tax payer dollars.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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There are no words.

I have a few.,

 

[SJHovey]

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Too hard? I'm not sure what the alternative is. Only prosecute the easy cases? Only prosecute people who aren't in positions of power? I guess, if making sure your job stays "easy" is the only goal.
If you're a fan of Amy's politically, I feel for you, but you want to hear a true tragicomedy? My girl in Michigan, Whitmer (another long-lister at one time) was scuttled by her hubbie trying to sneak out the back door to go fishing during the lockdown right during all the protests against people not being allowed to go fishing. So, yeah... let's both get on board with Kamala.

Do we even know what the complaints against the cop were? I've tried looking around and I've found very little.

One instance apparently involved a man carrying a shotgun who was involved in a chase, and allegedly pointed the gun at the cops. He was shot by six different cops, including Chauvin.

In another instance he was involved with some other cops chasing a man with a knife, and the suspect was shot by another cop involved in the chase, but all of the officers were put on leave.

One case apparently involved failure to follow the rules regarding dashcam cameras.

The most questionable one I was able to find involved a call on a domestic dispute where Chauvin apparently chased the suspect into a bathroom and ended up shooting and wounding the suspect, who Chauvin claimed went for his gun.

Without the specific details it's pretty hard to judge whether any of those incidences warranted any sort of prosecution by Klobuchar or anyone else.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

Too hard? I'm not sure what the alternative is. Only prosecute the easy cases? Only prosecute people who aren't in positions of power? I guess, if making sure your job stays "easy" is the only goal.

You do understand that there is no room for any error or doubt when prosecuting a cop right?
Juries and Judges have inherent bias in favor of the cops in 99% of these cases....so the evidence has to be airtight and letter perfect for there even to be a chance of winning.
That doesn't happen often.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It's especially difficult when you have video of them killing an unarmed black man. Garner comes to mind, but there are hundreds of others.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Too hard? I'm not sure what the alternative is. Only prosecute the easy cases? Only prosecute people who aren't in positions of power? I guess, if making sure your job stays "easy" is the only goal.
If you're a fan of Amy's politically, I feel for you, but you want to hear a true tragicomedy? My girl in Michigan, Whitmer (another long-lister at one time) was scuttled by her hubbie trying to sneak out the back door to go fishing during the lockdown right during all the protests against people not being allowed to go fishing. So, yeah... let's both get on board with Kamala.

It is hard, and that is proven by the ridiculously low percentage of convicting cops for violent acts versus civilians. The deck is literally stacked against a prosecutor. First of all, different standards apply. 2nd, jury instructions from judges cloud the issues further, even in states where the instructions are supposed to be uniform. In 2018 2/3rds of people charged with felonies were convicted of something. Between 2005 and last year 98 nonfederal law enforcement officers have been arrested in connection with fatal, on-duty shootings, and 35 were convicted, so about 1/3rd. That would tell me it appears a lot harder.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

It's especially difficult when you have video of them killing an unarmed black man. Garner comes to mind, but there are hundreds of others.

I never said there were no problems you *******.
But to act like all cases are cut and dried and easy...even when there is video is so naive it's childish in its premise.

 

[Jimjamesak]

One case apparently involved failure to follow the rules regarding dashcam cameras.

In all honesty, this should be a fireable offense for a police officer.