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Cops 7: What Could Go Wrong?

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Jimjamesak said:
In all honesty, this should be a fireable offense for a police officer.
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A former colleague represented Head Start workers. One took a broom handle and nudged a camera away from facing her room. She claimed she was whacking at a big spider and had no idea she nudged the camera into a position where it could not view the classroom. The employer did not believe her and she was fired. If it is good enough cause to fire a Head Start worker it is most certainly good cause to fire a cop.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
It is hard, and that is proven by the ridiculously low percentage of convicting cops for violent acts versus civilians. The deck is literally stacked against a prosecutor. First of all, different standards apply. 2nd, jury instructions from judges cloud the issues further, even in states where the instructions are supposed to be uniform. In 2018 2/3rds of people charged with felonies were convicted of something. Between 2005 and last year 98 nonfederal law enforcement officers have been arrested in connection with fatal, on-duty shootings, and 35 were convicted, so about 1/3rd. That would tell me it appears a lot harder.
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I’m pretty sure in Maine the state has never found a fatal police involved shooting unjustified, let alone try to prosecute one. There should be some independent agency involved in the prosecution.
 
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Kroll going would be fantastic, but sticky because the cops keep electing him.

The family isn't going to make this easy, not that it's their job to. They said they wanted 1st degree. They're angry and grieving, so I don't expect them to be thinking clearly on this. No way he gets convicted of 1st. None. It doesn't matter they may have worked together. Unless you find a journal or recording of his saying "I'm going to kill George Floyd." you're toast and he walks. I waffle between 2nd and 3rd. But if there really is any evidence of non-guilt like Freeman noted yesterday, intent is going to be hard to prove.
 
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Lake Street with a bit of a different vibe today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I took these on Lake Street in Minneapolis a couple hours ago. <a href="https://t.co/nXoiTi7qyD">pic.twitter.com/nXoiTi7qyD</a></p>— MC (@bluefugate343) <a href="https://twitter.com/bluefugate343/status/1266456511678734336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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state of hockey said:
Kroll going would be fantastic, but sticky because the cops keep electing him.

The family isn't going to make this easy, not that it's their job to. They said they wanted 1st degree. They're angry and grieving, so I don't expect them to be thinking clearly on this. No way he gets convicted of 1st. None. It doesn't matter they may have worked together. Unless you find a journal or recording of his saying "I'm going to kill George Floyd." you're toast and he walks. I waffle between 2nd and 3rd. But if there really is any evidence of non-guilt like Freeman noted yesterday, intent is going to be hard to prove.
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Reading the MN statutes, 1st degree murder probably does not apply. I think 2nd degree murder was where the charge should have fallen, and 3rd degree is almost evident simply by watching the video and no other evidence considered. God help the people of the Twin Cities area if they can't convict on these charges. The crap didn't hit the fan in Los Angeles until the cops were acquitted.
 
French Rage said:
CPB or CBP?
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Sorry, CBP. Just realized that my phone autocorrects that. I've had too many chocolate peanut butter porters, I guess.

Oh, and handy called it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mayor Frey has issued Emergency Regulation No. 2020-2-1 which imposes a curfew throughout the City of Minneapolis beginning at 8 p.m. tonight (Fri., May 29) and extends through the weekend.<br>See the posted regulation for details at: <a href="https://t.co/iebgleKnyx">https://t.co/iebgleKnyx</a> <a href="https://t.co/7l61oURPtc">pic.twitter.com/7l61oURPtc</a></p>— Minneapolis Clerk (@mplsclerk) <a href="https://twitter.com/mplsclerk/status/1266460106364944385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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So the Iowa Supreme Court just ruled 5-2 that a district judge who broke from a plea agreement and gave a harsher sentence based on the defendant's "bad family stock" was wrong to use that phrase but wasn't being racist and let the sentence stand.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

The 2 dissenters were the one liberal left on the court and the one minority.
 
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First Time said:
You do understand that there is no room for any error or doubt when prosecuting a cop right?
Juries and Judges have inherent bias in favor of the cops in 99% of these cases....so the evidence has to be airtight and letter perfect for there even to be a chance of winning.
That doesn't happen often.
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Other than reading whatever source you read on the subject, do you have experience prosecuting cops?
 
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state of hockey said:
Sorry, CBP. Just realized that my phone autocorrects that. I've had too many chocolate peanut butter porters, I guess.

Oh, and handy called it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mayor Frey has issued Emergency Regulation No. 2020-2-1 which imposes a curfew throughout the City of Minneapolis beginning at 8 p.m. tonight (Fri., May 29) and extends through the weekend.<br>See the posted regulation for details at: <a href="https://t.co/iebgleKnyx">https://t.co/iebgleKnyx</a> <a href="https://t.co/7l61oURPtc">pic.twitter.com/7l61oURPtc</a></p>— Minneapolis Clerk (@mplsclerk) <a href="https://twitter.com/mplsclerk/status/1266460106364944385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I dont for a second thing this was up to Frey...and I dont know that I think it will help either. Had to be done though.

Now would be the time for the Blue Wall in Minneapolis to come out publicly. Cops in Midway were telling looters they want him charged...well make a statement to the public standing behind the rights of the citizens you protect. Show everyone that racist *******s like Kroll and the clowns who run CrimeWatchMPLS dont represent you. This guy wasnt a cop, he was a criminal who hadnt been caught yet.

Speaking of CrimeWatch...they didnt report me! By the time I went to bbed though there were others mocking him for being wrong about everything. At one point he said a building was on fire and a guy from that building tweet at him saying it didnt happen and maybe he meant a different address. Made me laugh ;)
 
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burd said:
Other than reading whatever source you read on the subject, do you have experience prosecuting cops?
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Does anybody who posts out here have experience as a prosecutor? That would be a fascinating perspective.

Oh, and just to warn you ahead of time if you do, Handy still knows more about the subject than you! ;)
 
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burd said:
Other than reading whatever source you read on the subject, do you have experience prosecuting cops?
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I have enough lawyers in my family (and former lawyers) to know he is absolutely right.

It isnt like you need to do a lot of research to find evidence of it. A simple Google search will find you probably 2 dozen cases of cops caught red handed killing or assaulting people and they might not even lose their job let alone go to prison. Philandro Castillo was shot ON FACEBOOK LIVE and the cop didnt go to Prison. Rodney King was beaten by 4 cops on video shown on TVs around the world for months and LA couldnt convict them. Juries do not like convicting cops, and prosecutors that go after cops have a very rough go of it.

That is why you need an impartial Justice Department to use their authority and impartiality to look into this...not one run by racist incompetents who couldnt be trusted to take the garbage out let alone prosecute violations of civil liberties.
 
burd said:
Other than reading whatever source you read on the subject, do you have experience prosecuting cops?
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You know the answer to that...so feel free to rip me and be a dick doing it.
 
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Rover said:
Does anybody who posts out here have experience as a prosecutor? That would be a fascinating perspective.

Oh, and just to warn you ahead of time if you do, Handy still knows more about the subject than you! ;)
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Literally everyone knows more about a whole host of subjects than you Rover. And unlike you Rover we actually read what people write and then formulate an argument based on that. I know reading isnt your thing so I think we are maybe just a bit too mean to you.

I dont know more than others...even when I am playing the arrogant troll (who...spoilers...is based on YOU! :D ) I dont pretend I know more about subjects. Me speaking about things I have experienced or learned doesnt mean I know more, that is me adding to the conversation. Again, not your forte, but what that is is when two people talk back and forth and arent fighting or spitting at each other and are both actively listening and trying to learn from said conversation. Dont always agree, in fact I might not like the other person at all, but the dialogue is the important part.

Now in contrast you basically shout the same 5-7 things over and over and over and over again. The argument almost never has anything to do with what is actually being discussed, or at best is a tangent of said conversation. You deride everyone, listen to no one and declare yourself the victor when literally no one is even competing with you. Sometimes your trolling is fun, but most of the time it is rather tired and repetitive and is closer to bot level lame. Even when you are actually an authority on a subject you still somehow find ways to screw up the argument enough to be wrong. It is truly astounding to watch and I know most around here find it massively entertaining :D

I will say though...even when everyone on all sides of an argument tell you you are wrong you stick to your guns and keep hoping the 25th time is the charm. You are kind of like Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke...you just wont stay down no matter how much George Kennedy beats you to a pulp. Perhaps what we have here is a failure to communicate :D

tl;dr: I fed your ego by responding so you can go away now ;)
 
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