Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

[Jimjamesak]

Massive reports of FB removing that vid, but links to the NOLA shooting are still active. I checked.

She is calm for a bit, sorta, then totally loses it when she realizes that he's gone. It's shock, to me. Once it finally set in, she lost it.

Gawker has the video up anyway. That cat is out of the bag.

 

[manurespreader]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

yep. and it took almost an hour to get him to the hospital where he died.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Sounds like he had a conceal carry permit.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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There are only two places on the web I use "social media", here and a similar forum dedicated mostly to Notre Dame sports. A thread popped up on the other one asking people what they thought of the then latest one of these seemingly never ending "police kill black man" stories. At 9:30 or so I posted my thought that this latest incident would change absolutely nothing and that before the last post was added to the thread something similar would happen. It took 30 minutes to prove me right. And the one in Falcon Heights Minnesota looks even worse.

A quick search on the internet yielded no useful results but I wonder how many of the black men shot by police in this country are shot by black police officers? If the rate is consistent with the number of black police officers in the nation then I think race as a major factor could be significantly discounted and we could get back to training and -- in my opinion the more causal link hiring procedures -- as the way to seek out a solution.

 

[SonofSouthie]

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FB vid from Minn shooting.

https://www.facebook.com/100007611243538/videos/1690073837922975/

 

[Handyman]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Nothing will happen to the cop except lose his job. They will find some reason to say he "feared for his life" then find ways to impeach the reputation of the victim (like they are doing in NoLa where his criminal record seems to justify what happened to him...cause being a criminal = worthy of being shot/killed) then as Black Lives Matter protests over this (which of course is also wrong because it might inconvenience some people) the narrative will fully change and everyone will ignore it while the Police Union and every cop around will defend the action. Like tic-tac-to in Wargames it is just repeats itself...

On the off chance this cop does get in legal trouble they will only focus on him and not the real problems.

And Brent...sorry but I dont buy there wasnt race involved with this. Now maybe there is more to the story but you yourself say the cop was scared...well why the heck was he scared? Is it is first day on the job? Has he never been part of a traffic stop before? Do you really think this guy would have been "scared" if he was walking up to your car in the same area? He was scared because he pulled a black guy over at night. Does that make him a Southern Racist wanting all Blacks killed? No of course not. But it is beyond naive to think that he doesnt have a fear of Black People at least on a fundamental level.

And therein lies a larger problem we seem to be seeing in these cases. The institutional issues dealing with race get ignored because people assume all racists are like Donald Drumpf or the KKK. They arent. Hell, the cops in a lot of these cases probably have a rational fear...being in crime ridden areas where violence is prevalent and guns are everywhere will put everyone on edge and when you see the same people committing the same crimes you become a bit biased against them. It is human nature and we all do it. (Christ we are hockey fans we do it to every ref and goon we see play) That is fine for you and me but these are people with high amounts of authority and weapons who are trained to use them...it doesnt take much to trigger people and we are now seeing it way more than we should.

Too many people are dying...and the stupid "do what the officer says and you will be fine" excuse doesnt work anymore. Hell we have seen plenty of instances where that just isnt true. There is something going on, something fundamentally wrong here. Take a step back, forget each case and look at the whole picture, something needs to change and fast or things are only going to get worse. The more of these stories that happen the more people stop trusting the police, the less they trust the cops the easier it is to defy them, the more they defy the more freaked out the cops get and the more on edge they are the more likely they are too shoot people. It is a self perpetuating cycle and until the cops step up and do something to fix it it will only get worse.

And yes, I do put that on the cops because they have to be held to a higher standard. We grant them authority over us in the name of protection and as such they have to act better than us. It is our job to respect them because the job they do often times sucks and to follow the laws...it is their job to protect us. (not just themselves) Until the police start taking responsibility for their actions (and stop defending every cop just cause they wear a shield) nothing will get any better. Citizens arent going to stand for it much longer...

 

[Handyman]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

Sounds like he had a conceal carry permit.

I am sure that will be used against the guy (ironically by those that always defend conceal/carry) but that changes nothing. I know you werent saying it does but we know that will become part of the narrative.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

There are only two places on the web I use "social media", here and a similar forum dedicated mostly to Notre Dame sports. A thread popped up on the other one asking people what they thought of the then latest one of these seemingly never ending "police kill black man" stories. At 9:30 or so I posted my thought that this latest incident would change absolutely nothing and that before the last post was added to the thread something similar would happen. It took 30 minutes to prove me right. And the one in Falcon Heights Minnesota looks even worse.

A quick search on the internet yielded no useful results but I wonder how many of the black men shot by police in this country are shot by black police officers? If the rate is consistent with the number of black police officers in the nation then I think race as a major factor could be significantly discounted and we could get back to training and -- in my opinion the more causal link hiring procedures -- as the way to seek out a solution.

Oh there are quite a few, as well as white people being shot, along with Mexicans, Asians, etc. The biggest difference here is that white-on-black garners ratings and keeps the "Woe are the African-Americans" narrative relevant (despite the fact that they probably haven't even been to Africa in at least 5 generations by now). In the narrative, racism is only white-on-black, and nothing else. There's nothing "reverse" about any other form of racism; it is still racism.

If you'd like to see more about other related events, I'd suggest taking a look at copblock.org , which is a sort of "neighbourhood watch" that monitors police activity. Although they may not have the specific data you're looking for (and who knows if PDs even track it), and you may have to weed through a number of "F Da Po-lice" comments (although that can be the most entertaining part), they do present a multitude of information surrounding this topic.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Nothing will happen to the cop except lose his job. They will find some reason to say he "feared for his life" then find ways to impeach the reputation of the victim (like they are doing in NoLa where his criminal record seems to justify what happened to him...cause being a criminal = worthy of being shot/killed) then as Black Lives Matter protests over this (which of course is also wrong because it might inconvenience some people) the narrative will fully change and everyone will ignore it while the Police Union and every cop around will defend the action. Like tic-tac-to in Wargames it is just repeats itself...

On the off chance this cop does get in legal trouble they will only focus on him and not the real problems.

And Brent...sorry but I dont buy there wasnt race involved with this. Now maybe there is more to the story but you yourself say the cop was scared...well why the heck was he scared? Is it is first day on the job? Has he never been part of a traffic stop before? Do you really think this guy would have been "scared" if he was walking up to your car in the same area? He was scared because he pulled a black guy over at night. Does that make him a Southern Racist wanting all Blacks killed? No of course not. But it is beyond naive to think that he doesnt have a fear of Black People at least on a fundamental level.

And therein lies a larger problem we seem to be seeing in these cases. The institutional issues dealing with race get ignored because people assume all racists are like Donald Drumpf or the KKK. They arent. Hell, the cops in a lot of these cases probably have a rational fear...being in crime ridden areas where violence is prevalent and guns are everywhere will put everyone on edge and when you see the same people committing the same crimes you become a bit biased against them. It is human nature and we all do it. (Christ we are hockey fans we do it to every ref and goon we see play) That is fine for you and me but these are people with high amounts of authority and weapons who are trained to use them...it doesnt take much to trigger people and we are now seeing it way more than we should.

Too many people are dying...and the stupid "do what the officer says and you will be fine" excuse doesnt work anymore. Hell we have seen plenty of instances where that just isnt true. There is something going on, something fundamentally wrong here. Take a step back, forget each case and look at the whole picture, something needs to change and fast or things are only going to get worse. The more of these stories that happen the more people stop trusting the police, the less they trust the cops the easier it is to defy them, the more they defy the more freaked out the cops get and the more on edge they are the more likely they are too shoot people. It is a self perpetuating cycle and until the cops step up and do something to fix it it will only get worse.

And yes, I do put that on the cops because they have to be held to a higher standard. We grant them authority over us in the name of protection and as such they have to act better than us. It is our job to respect them because the job they do often times sucks and to follow the laws...it is their job to protect us. (not just themselves) Until the police start taking responsibility for their actions (and stop defending every cop just cause they wear a shield) nothing will get any better. Citizens arent going to stand for it much longer...

Lose his job? More like a paid vacation. Or in other words, "suspension with pay". They'll investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong, as they usually do.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Sad.

 

[Kepler]

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So I was describing the Baton Rouge shooting to Dr. Mrs. this morning and we flipped the radio on and were halfway into a report on the Minny shooting before we realized this was an entirely different incident.

Hope these guys are budgeting for more servers.

 

[unofan]

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If you believe the victim's girlfriend, this guy did exactly what all the gun owners on here say they would do when pulled over: inform the cop you have a gun so as to not freak them out if they see it.

So now that that apparently doesn't work, what should he have done?

 

[Kepler]

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If you believe the victim's girlfriend, this guy did exactly what all the gun owners on here say they would do when pulled over: inform the cop you have a gun so as to not freak them out if they see it.

So now that that apparently doesn't work, what should he have done?

Be white.

 

[SJHovey]

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If you believe the victim's girlfriend, this guy did exactly what all the gun owners on here say they would do when pulled over: inform the cop you have a gun so as to not freak them out if they see it.

So now that that apparently doesn't work, what should he have done?

I'm well known here as someone who is not an advocate for restrictions on guns and gun ownership. I think it's a personal choice, and responsibility issue. But the Minnesota scenario is exactly why I have chosen to not get a conceal/carry permit, have chosen not to own a handgun or carry one around.

I don't want to be in a position where I would be tempted to use a gun on another person, but I really don't want people to know I am carrying a gun and think I might use it on them.

 

[The Rube]

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And Brent...sorry but I dont buy there wasnt race involved with this. Now maybe there is more to the story but you yourself say the cop was scared...well why the heck was he scared? Is it is first day on the job? Has he never been part of a traffic stop before? Do you really think this guy would have been "scared" if he was walking up to your car in the same area? He was scared because he pulled a black guy over at night. Does that make him a Southern Racist wanting all Blacks killed? No of course not. But it is beyond naive to think that he doesnt have a fear of Black People at least on a fundamental level.

I don't know the specifics, hence me waiting to find out. The bolded/underlined is an incredibly ignorant mindset to have. "White cop, dealing with black citizen. Yup, cop is racist."

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Be white.

Sad but true.

I am white and have never had an encounter with the police where the police behaved poorly. In a couple of cases they may have been indifferent or bored to my comments, but generally they were polite, professional and did nothing to tarnish the badge they wore.

My cousin, who is as equally law abiding as I am, was born, raised and lives in Indiana, is educated and a professional. He's also half South American and to most Hoosiers looks "Mexican" or maybe even black. If you squint and use your imagination and your prejudices you might even see someone of Middle Eastern descent. He has lost track of the number of times he has been stopped for broken tail lights, broken license plate lights, driving slightly left of center (he doesn't drink or use drugs and has never even smoked a cigarette so he never driven impaired), driving 9 mph or less over the speed limit, driving UNDER the speed limit (looking for an address) or rolling through a stop sign in a residential neighborhood after midnight (his neighborhood 2 blocks from home and he's a sportswriter and was coming home from covering a high school basketball game 2 hours from his residence).

Anyone who doesn't believe race plays a factor in what happens between the police and the populace either suffers from an extreme case of rectal-cranial inversion, or they are bigots who don't give a sh!7 that some black guy got blown away. He was probably guilty of something anyway.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I don't know the specifics, hence me waiting to find out. The bolded/underlined is an incredibly ignorant mindset to have. "White cop, dealing with black citizen. Yup, cop is racist."

Why'd he shoot him then? He certainly couldn't have been that afraid of a conceal and carry holder. They're the cream of the 2nd amendment citizenry.

 

[unofan]

Sad but true.

I am white and have never had an encounter with the police where the police behaved poorly. In a couple of cases they may have been indifferent or bored to my comments, but generally they were polite, professional and did nothing to tarnish the badge they wore.

My cousin, who is as equally law abiding as I am, was born, raised and lives in Indiana, is educated and a professional. He's also half South American and to most Hoosiers looks "Mexican" or maybe even black. If you squint and use your imagination and your prejudices you might even see someone of Middle Eastern descent. He has lost track of the number of times he has been stopped for broken tail lights, broken license plate lights, driving slightly left of center (he doesn't drink or use drugs and has never even smoked a cigarette so he never driven impaired), driving 9 mph or less over the speed limit, driving UNDER the speed limit (looking for an address) or rolling through a stop sign in a residential neighborhood after midnight (his neighborhood 2 blocks from home and he's a sportswriter and was coming home from covering a high school basketball game 2 hours from his residence).

Anyone who doesn't believe race plays a factor in what happens between the police and the populace either suffers from an extreme case of rectal-cranial inversion, or they are bigots who don't give a sh!7 that some black guy got blown away. He was probably guilty of something anyway.

According to the transcript of the video, the girlfriend said they had a little bit of weed in the car. He'll be painted as a drug dealer who was trying to get the kids at the school he worked at high.

 

[Kepler]

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Our monkey brains are great at finding patterns and drawing conclusions. Cops' "customers" tend to be poor, and to a large extent in the US we color code our poor. Cops are on edge in any interaction with someone they see as a potential perp. The calculation of that probability works on a point system. If male, add tons of points. If young, add tons more. If black, add more. Combine these "pattern recognitions" with confirmation bias, and seat them among racial narratives that are especially prevalent among the blue collar population many cops are drawn from and voila -- fear of a black planet.

People think racism is "I hate black people therefore I hate you." Real racism works in much more functionalist and hidden ways. You don't have to be a capital R Racist to have racist thoughts.

My guess is, if you hold all other variables equal:

if this guy is white, he lives
if this guy is old, he lives
if this guy is a woman, she lives

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Everyone seems to lump all of these terrible incidents into one group, either "they're all justifiable shootings" or "they're all racists murdering innocent people". Can we all just agree it is much more murky than that? Some police involved shootings absolutely are justifiable, and the police are completely in the right. Others are egregious actions, taken by officers in power, that amount to murder. Just because one incident is one case, doesn't mean the next one will be too. Please don't fall into the trap of lumping them all into one box or the other.