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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

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Kepler said:
Maybe a good idea?



I would say if you have a backlog of 1.2M outstanding warrants, there's a problem with your legal code. If everyone is breaking a law, the problem may be the law.
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Amnesty is trying to put a Band-Aid on a broken leg. Not a good solution, as it'll come up again in a couple years. Which laws are issues?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Amnesty is trying to put a Band-Aid on a broken leg. Not a good solution, as it'll come up again in a couple years. Which laws are issues?
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The usual. Anything involving pot to start with. Those laws only exist to pander to people still angry about the 60s -- they're vestigial cultural laws.
 
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Kepler said:
The usual. Anything involving pot to start with. Those laws only exist to pander to people still angry about the 60s -- they're vestigial cultural laws.
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I thought it was made illegal in the 30's after the demands of DuPont and William Randolph Hearst? After all, hemp is made with the same stuff...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I thought it was made illegal in the 30's after the demands of DuPont and William Randolph Hearst? After all, hemp is made with the same stuff...
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Not sure the provenance, but the pot paranoia of the last 40 years was all driven by goobers scared/angry that other people are getting high. If our politicians didn't have to tub thump for them, pot would be regulated just like alcohol.

One of the best parts of the gradual shrinkage of the good ol' boy demo is their outsized influence on politics will gradually wither away. We can't soon enough get rid of the type of creature who's scandalized by boobies on his TV but has no problem with a thousand murders a night.
 
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Kepler said:
Not sure the provenance, but the pot paranoia of the last 40 years was all driven by goobers scared/angry that other people are getting high. If our politicians didn't have to tub thump for them, pot would be regulated just like alcohol.

One of the best parts of the gradual shrinkage of the good ol' boy demo is their outsized influence on politics will gradually wither away. We can't soon enough get rid of the type of creature who's scandalized by boobies on his TV but has no problem with a thousand murders a night.
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Not to mention why a couple of foul words would **** them off so much... ;)

It's kind of tough to regulate marijuana when it is something naturally grown. After all, what "regulations" are there behind home brewing?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Not to mention why a couple of foul words would **** them off so much... ;)

It's kind of tough to regulate marijuana when it is something naturally grown. After all, what "regulations" are there behind home brewing?
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And just as with home brews, the USG should ignore the home grower and concentrate on Big Pot. Just as the vast majority of people drink Bud Lite, the vast majority of stoners will light up some godawful Phillip Morris crap grass.
 
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Kepler said:
And just as with home brews, the USG should ignore the home grower and concentrate on Big Pot. Just as the vast majority of people drink Bud Lite, the vast majority of stoners will light up some godawful Phillip Morris crap grass.
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The home growers are what makes the prison-industrial complex happy.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
After all, what "regulations" are there behind home brewing?
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They vary state by state. Some have a limit (say 100 gallons a year for Wisconsin...which I have broken). Some do not let you transport it out of your home.

Clearly, you cannot sell it.

Now enforcement on the other hand... ;)
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
They vary state by state. Some have a limit (say 100 gallons a year for Wisconsin...which I have broken). Some do not let you transport it out of your home.

Clearly, you cannot sell it.

Now enforcement on the other hand... ;)
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Fair enough. I know that, at least in this state, some have been attacked by executive branch representatives for making their own diesel fuel, typically buying old oil from Chinese restaurants and converting it using their means. Perhaps what we are seeing is an attack on independence in general, and as we've all brought up various isolated issues and could probably bring up more (collecting rainwater, using your own solar panels, living in a "tiny house", etc.), where attention needs to be focused is the ability to be independent, thereby easing the strain placed elsewhere.
 
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Kepler said:
Maybe a good idea?



I would say if you have a backlog of 1.2M outstanding warrants, there's a problem with your legal code. If everyone is breaking a law, the problem may be the law.
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That really depends on what the crimes are here. I'll get kicked out of the next Middle Aged Socialist Club meeting for saying this, but Broken Windows works. The crime rates in NYC fell incredibly once it was implemented, and I will destroy any Freakonomics claims to the contrary as to the cause. Having seen New York in the early 80's you can't imagine what that place looked like if you didn't witness it with your own eyes.

So, if 1.2M people decided to jump subway turnstiles, smoke weed in a public park, or p! ss in a garbage can on the street, too F'in bad if they have to answer for that. I don't want people harassed by the cops, and if there's a racial disparity in enforcement that needs to be corrected immediately. Having said that, easing off on petty crime is NOT the solution.
 
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Rover said:
That really depends on what the crimes are here. I'll get kicked out of the next Middle Aged Socialist Club meeting for saying this, but Broken Windows works. The crime rates in NYC fell incredibly once it was implemented, and I will destroy any Freakonomics claims to the contrary as to the cause. Having seen New York in the early 80's you can't imagine what that place looked like if you didn't witness it with your own eyes.

So, if 1.2M people decided to jump subway turnstiles, smoke weed in a public park, or p! ss in a garbage can on the street, too F'in bad if they have to answer for that. I don't want people harassed by the cops, and if there's a racial disparity in enforcement that needs to be corrected immediately. Having said that, easing off on petty crime is NOT the solution.
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Stop and frisk probably has quite a bit to do with it, too. If you want to discourage petty crime, how about focusing on doing something that doesn't make petty crime the only option? Obviously the establishment as it is will push for fines and jail time (albeit NYS does not have a prison-industrial complex by law since 2000; all prisons are government owned), but that only looks towards those that like taking shortcuts.

I'm just shocked Manhattan has yet to sink under its own weight. :eek:;)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Can't wait to read the knucks' defence of the flash grenade in the baby's crib being the baby's fault. http://www.freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2015/05/pity-poor-stormtroopers-baby-bou-bou.html

Maybe after the charges are dropped, they'll try the 19-month-old as an adult.
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Who exactly is saying it's the baby's fault, other than you and this drooling moron of a blogger? The sheriff in that case admits that it's an unfortunate accident, but I don't see him placing the blame with either the baby or even the baby's parents.

The cops had evidence some bad guy was in the house, and weapons were present. They got a valid warrant. They prepared a plan ahead of the entry that included the use of a stun grenade, probably pretty standard procedure when you have a surprise entry of a house where weapons and criminal activity are supposedly present.

The problem appears to have been with the method by which the stun grenade was deployed. It looks like the allegation is that the sheriff's deputy didn't follow appropriate methods and just threw the grenade in without looking at or identifying an appropriate and safe target zone. I don't what the so-called "standard" would be but I would guess it's a reasonable argument to claim that you can't just blindly toss one into a room without seeing what's in there, either in the form of people or things that can catch on fire.

Hence the civil case and settlement.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
...otherwise known as stealing from the taxpayers, because you KNOW that's where the money's coming from.
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Many municipalities have insurance policies to cover civil suit payments. Most large cities do (won't claim all), but I don't know at what rate those figures decline when moving to smaller and smaller areas.
 
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St. Clown said:
Many municipalities have insurance policies to cover civil suit payments. Most large cities do (won't claim all), but I don't know at what rate those figures decline when moving to smaller and smaller areas.
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It's still stealing from the taxpayers. These should be coming out of the pocket of the guy that threw the grenade.
 
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It's still stealing from the taxpayers. These should be coming out of the pocket of the guy that threw the grenade.
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And when you flip that burger too soon tonight resulting in Jack-in-the-Box getting sued in an E. coli case, that should come out of your pockets?
 
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