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Cops 2: Pay No Attention to the Rioters Behind the Curtain

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rufus said:
Except on April 23, the Baltimore Police Commissioner said that the other inmate in the van said Gray was quiet, and the van wasn't driving erratically.

https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/591401433725014017

And what went on during the 30+ minutes, and three stops it took to make the three minute drive to the police station?

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/what-really-happened-in-the-police-van--436759107717
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Deal with the devil.
 
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CNN is actually doing some good reporting once in a while during this BALT thing. Of course, they balance it with their usual horsesh* reporting, but there are glimmers of actual responsible journalism.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
No, they aren't.
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Believe me, I usually tune in to catch the headlines, then turn to the interwebs to find good reporting. CNN has had moments where they have done well. Are they good overall? No, not even close. Still laughable. But I have to give credit when credit is earned.
 
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And currently, this is typical CNN. Drumming up the story of the self-inflicted injury. Terrible.
 
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Pat's "questionable" views on race are well known, but he missed the boat on this one. Why for example would "driving God out of the public arena" affect blacks more than other races??? Is Pat saying blacks are less likely to find God on their own? :confused:

But beyond all that, I've yet to see anybody raise the main point here, which is the limited good job opportunities for working class people whether they're white, black, brown, green, or purple. That, not the Great Society or Trickle Down Economics, is why many cities and regions are in a 50 year recession (Rust Belt, Appalachia, Deep South, Detroit, Baltimore, St Louis, Oakland, Buffalo, etc etc).

When the gubmint decided to adopt a laissez faire approach to the economy, French for "sitting around with your thumb up your *** while other countries steal your jobs" these communities never recovered. Its tough to ask somebody to play it straight and be the god-fearin', model citizen Pat envisions when a Wal-Mart job is the best you're ever going to do. Now before someone says "oh go to college" we have to realize in this country not everyone is college material unfortunately no matter how hard they're willing to work. Others can't afford it. Tens of millions fall into this category and the ability to hit the middle class with a factory job barely exists in most places. That is the conversation we need to be having, not refighting legislation passed before most of us were born. :rolleyes:
 
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Jimjamesak said:
The fact that you brought it up is quite revealing.
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You seem to misapprehend what I said, so allow me to rephrase.

It is not uncommon, in general, for people who have the least direct personal experience of a situation also to have the strongest opinions on what it takes to rectify said situation. They mean well, and also lack awareness of the subtlety and nuance that makes a gnarly situation so difficult to unravel.

For example, there is no such thing as "Hispanic culture." Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, they are all as different from each other as are Italians, Polish, Irish, Russians, etc.

Similarly, among blacks there are Jamaicans, Haitians, Islanders, Southern Baptists, urban gang-bangers, and they also are all quite different from each other as well, they congregate together in their own neighborhoods, separate from other black groups.

What makes the Baltimore situation so interesting is how you see different aspects of the black "community" at odds with each other, the pastor in tears when the senior housing complex he built was burned to the ground, the mother grabbing her son from the mob and dragging him back home, the black mayor and black police chief trying to keep order as some blacks riot while other blacks try to restrain the rioters, etc. There is no single monolithic black community here, despite the convenient and popular narrative.

The farther you are from direct personal experience of these essential differences, the easier it is to tell other people how to address a situation that from afar seems as simple as a matter of black and white. It never was that simple to begin with, and here is a situation that clearly demonstrates the complexities.

Many of the people who live in these black communities are the ones who are calling the police to get protection from crimes committed against them by other blacks. None of these events were ever about racist police forces oppressing the entire black population. That's a convenient fiction.
 
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Kepler said:
Poverty [has increased greatly since 2008. There are more people on SNAP today than ever before in history, for example. Unemployment among black youths is close to 50%]
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Brought your timeline up to date.
 
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FreshFish said:
Brought your timeline up to date.
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Because of the depression your sweethearts created, yes. However, we've had what, 60 months of growth since then, despite the many GOP attempts at sabotaging the country for short term political gain?

Try again.
 
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Kepler said:
Because of the depression your sweethearts created, yes. However, we've had what, 60 months of growth since then, despite the many GOP attempts at sabotaging the country for short term political gain?

Try again.
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So convenient you forget that a number of banking regulations that created this mess were relaxed via Riegle-Neal under the democrat controlled administration of 1994, isn't it?
 
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FreshFish said:
It is not uncommon, in general, for people who have the least direct personal experience of a situation also to have the strongest opinions on what it takes to rectify said situation. They mean well, and also lack awareness of the subtlety and nuance that makes a gnarly situation so difficult to unravel.

For example, there is no such thing as "Hispanic culture." Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, they are all as different from each other as are Italians, Polish, Irish, Russians, etc.

Similarly, among blacks there are Jamaicans, Haitians, Islanders, Southern Baptists, urban gang-bangers, and they also are all quite different from each other as well, they congregate together in their own neighborhoods, separate from other black groups.

What makes the Baltimore situation so interesting is how you see different aspects of the black "community" at odds with each other, the pastor in tears when the senior housing complex he built was burned to the ground, the mother grabbing her son from the mob and dragging him back home, the black mayor and black police chief trying to keep order as some blacks riot while other blacks try to restrain the rioters, etc. There is no single monolithic black community here, despite the convenient and popular narrative.

The farther you are from direct personal experience of these essential differences, the easier it is to tell other people how to address a situation that from afar seems as simple as a matter of black and white. It never was that simple to begin with, and here is a situation that clearly demonstrates the complexities.

Many of the people who live in these black communities are the ones who are calling the police to get protection from crimes committed against them by other blacks. None of these events were ever about racist police forces oppressing the entire black population. That's a convenient fiction.
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Thank you sir, great post.
Interesting interview on NPR yesterday with a language professor explaining that Obama and other people whose skin is a dark enough shade of brown on the outside are allowed to use the word "thug" but if you're a lighter color WATCH IT BUB because THAT'S RACIST!!11 As part of his lecture he said that when black people use "thug" it is a sign of respect for the counter-cultural struggle for dignity and freedom etc. etc. so it's a badge of honor, but when white people use it it's "the new n-word." The huge flaw in his logic was that Obama did NOT use "thug" to praise and dignify the rioters, but to condemn their actions. In other words, he used it in exactly the same way a white person would who was critical of violent riots as a social good. Think about where this is going. To the high-and-mighty lecturers of academia and government, skin color trumps all. It's more important in judging people than actions, intentions, ability, personality... anything. They refuse to recognize that people are individuals.
 
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So convenient you forget that a number of banking regulations that created this mess were relaxed via Riegle-Neal under the democrat controlled administration of 1994, isn't it?
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I don't know Riegle-Neal. I do know Glass-Steagall was repealed under Clinton, and for that may he and his Wall Street friends burn in hell for all eternity.

But let's not kid ourselves as to who the Party of Deregulation is. The GOP preached a doctrine of deregulating and "getting out of the private sector's way" that led directly to the 2007 crash. There's blood splattered on the Dems' hands, but the GOP was merrily swinging the cleaver. They bragged about it.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't know Riegle-Neal. I do know Glass-Steagall was repealed under Clinton, and for that may he and his Wall Street friends burn in hell for all eternity.

But let's not kid ourselves as to who the Party of Deregulation is. The GOP preached a doctrine of deregulating and "getting out of the private sector's way" that led directly to the 2007 crash. There's blood splattered on the Dems' hands, but the GOP was merrily swinging the cleaver. They bragged about it.
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I believe Riegle-Neal was used as the mechanism to repeal Glass-Steagall; just a quick Yahoo search on interstate banking in 1994.

There's nothing wrong with deregulation, so long as one very important thing I'm sure everyone's parents has said to them at one time or another is sustained: "With privilege comes responsibility." We have a number of New World Order folks, whether direct or co-erced monetarily, that are being intentionally irresponsible (sub-prime loans, 3.5% down mortgages, cannot price discriminate insurance for health reasons, etc.), and trying to "spatter blood" in order to fool the citizenry to beg for the government, the very people behind this mess, to remove the citizens' rights and add tons of regulations. You have taken the bait. The entire country has. Sure, I'm trying to not take it, but I am merely a scale on this fish, not the mouth.

The moment you begin to understand that there is zero fundamental difference in the end goals of the two parties in this country will be the day that we can begin to once again demand liberty and practice it in a responsible manner.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I believe Riegle-Neal was used as the mechanism to repeal Glass-Steagall; just a quick Yahoo search on interstate banking in 1994.

There's nothing wrong with deregulation, so long as one very important thing I'm sure everyone's parents has said to them at one time or another is sustained: "With privilege comes responsibility." We have a number of New World Order folks, whether direct or co-erced monetarily, that are being intentionally irresponsible (sub-prime loans, 3.5% down mortgages, cannot price discriminate insurance for health reasons, etc.), and trying to "spatter blood" in order to fool the citizenry to beg for the government, the very people behind this mess, to remove the citizens' rights and add tons of regulations. You have taken the bait. The entire country has. Sure, I'm trying to not take it, but I am merely a scale on this fish, not the mouth.

The moment you begin to understand that there is zero fundamental difference in the end goals of the two parties in this country will be the day that we can begin to once again demand liberty and practice it in a responsible manner.
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Total stupidity Flaggy. The primary driver of the financial crisis was the American people. Not the banks. Not the gubmint. People.

When going for a mortgage, nobody that I'm aware of had a gun put to their head and got forced to take on more debt then they can afford. The middle class has been buying houses for 100 years, and this never happened before. People got too enamoured with debt. Maybe if you make 30K a year you can't live in Bill Gates' neighborhood.

Always amuses me how so called conservatives want to pass the buck on this.
 
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The investment banks took some ginormous risks too...

And financial advisors were telling people that owning a house is the greatest investment you can make, it can't lose money, you'd be dumb not to buy one etc etc. Obviously financial advisers don't face the same consequences as doctors for bad advice but people trust them all the same because they're supposed to be experts in their field.

There's nothing wrong with deregulation
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Yeah as long as everyone has perfect information and makes wise decisions based on said info. But it's laughable to ever think that will happen in practice. Obviously when financial advisers are working for the bank and motivated by profit you're not going to have perfect info and that was never more obvious than when the housing bubble exploded.
 
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Rover said:
Total stupidity Flaggy. The primary driver of the financial crisis was the American people. Not the banks. Not the gubmint. People.

When going for a mortgage, nobody that I'm aware of had a gun put to their head and got forced to take on more debt then they can afford. The middle class has been buying houses for 100 years, and this never happened before. People got too enamoured with debt. Maybe if you make 30K a year you can't live in Bill Gates' neighborhood.

Always amuses me how so called conservatives want to pass the buck on this.
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Then why didn't the lenders just say "no" to the loans they knew were risky? I do it all the time when lending money. Sure, interest rates are salivating, but you don't get high rewards without high risks, and sometimes, the risks are too high to take.
 
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