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Commercial Aviation/Airplane Question

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manurespreader said:
To disable all the equipment they did would most likely take two people. But to answer the question, it would be real easy to put the other guy out of action without weapons or drugs. And no I'm not telling you why that is.
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Only other option I can think of is to reduce cabin pressure a la The Langoliers, but IMO, that would require both pilots agreeing to go rogue, and no guarantee of one recovering to carry out the "mission".
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Only other option I can think of is to reduce cabin pressure a la The Langoliers, but IMO, that would require both pilots agreeing to go rogue, and no guarantee of one recovering to carry out the "mission".
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If they were to reduce cabin pressure to knock out the pax, they would both probably put on their oxygen masks...
 
RaceBoarder said:
How much experience are we talking for someone to pilot an international 777 flight? I'd imagine that those aren't the guys that just got out of flight school.... Would someone coming in with a military flying background even be a candidate for something like that?
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The younger guy had 2800 hrs, the older guy 18000 hrs
 
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Obviously whomever commandeered the plan knew what they were doing...


The first mysterious turn that steered missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 off its intended path was made by an automatic computer program in the pilot’s cockpit, according to a report.

The westward turn that diverted Flight 370’s path was programmed by several keystrokes into a device on a pedestal between the captain and co-pilot, said a senior US official interviewed by The New York Times.

The sophisticated system is most likely programmed inside the plane and was probably utilized by someone familiar with the aircraft and well-versed in its complex computer systems, the paper reported Monday night.

The new information reinforced investigators’ theory that the airplane was deliberately steered in the wrong direction, and increased scrutiny on the pilots who might have commandeered it.

Malaysian authorities said over the weekend they suspected that the pilots may have been involved in the plane’s disappearance because the aircraft’s radars were turned off to avoid detection.

Investigators are also looking into the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which took off March 8 from Kuala Lumpur and was headed for Beijing, flew at just 5,000 feet to avoid detection from additional sources after turning off tracking devices.

The Boeing 777 signed off with air-traffic controllers as it left Malaysian airspace for Vietnamese tracking and was believed to have made a hard left west toward the Indian Ocean. It hasn’t been seen or heard from since.

Officials are now investigating whether one or both pilots — Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid — embarked on a low-flying “terrain- masking” journey over the northeast Malaysian state of Kelantan.

“The person who had control over the aircraft has a solid knowledge of avionics and navigation, and left a clean track. It passed low over Kelantan, that was true,” an unnamed senior Malaysian official told The New Strait Times of Malaysia.

If this under-radar claim is true, it would back up early reports from villagers in northeast Malaysia, who claimed to see low-flying bright lights in the sky at about the time Flight 370 went incommunicado.
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I guess they weren't planning to land it in a remote location, repaint it, put new "license plates" on it so to speak, and then start their own airline....:(


Were they planning on holding the passengers hostage but something went wrong?
 
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manurespreader said:
To disable all the equipment they did would most likely take two people. But to answer the question, it would be real easy to put the other guy out of action without weapons or drugs. And no I'm not telling you why that is.
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Well isn't that special. :rolleyes:
 
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manurespreader said:
Extremely unlikely.
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Well, sorry for not having 1000s of hours of flight experience and knowing emergency protocol... :rolleyes: Could you please explain why this is obviously a wrong answer then?

I'm someone who has almost no experience with flights: A trip to Florida when I was three, a local flight in a 4-seat Cessna as part of being a Cub Scout when I 10 or 11, a float plane "tour" in Northern Wisconsin when I was 13, and a trip from Chicago to Orlando in 2008... That's it... Everything else I know is from TV or hearing other people talk about their travels...

To me, that article seemed to make sense... The protocols quoted seemed to be "common sense" solutions to the problem of a fire... In an emergency, I would think that a "common sense" answer would be a way to go when you need to get by on reactions instead of in-depth thought... Again, forgive me for not having a ton of experience with the situation at hand :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

FreshFish said:
sounds plausible to the extent that it neatly accounts for all the known data in a simple theory...Occam's razor and all that. However, you'd think wreckage would appear somewhere along that path, no?
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The wreckage part is a bit if a hangup, but they do say that the plane would have ran out of fuel some 6-hours into flight over the Indian Ocean... At that point, there is enough space/time where the exact location of the plane is a needle in a haystack...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Another theory, but this one seems to be based in logic that would be used by a pilot... Sound plausible?
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In my opinion, it's the most plausible. Obviously, it doesn't mean it necessarily happened. Hijacking by the pilot(s) or a passenger is also plausible. The shadowing theory is plausible (difficult, but easier than one might think).

Alien Abduction, rapture, and a surprise landing at Diego Garcia are the only theories I'm ruling out at this point.

My fun theory that I have no proof of...the United States knows and has known the exact location of MAS370.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
In my opinion, it's the most plausible. Obviously, it doesn't mean it necessarily happened. Hijacking by the pilot(s) or a passenger is also plausible. The shadowing theory is plausible (difficult, but easier than one might think).

Alien Abduction, rapture, and a surprise landing at Diego Garcia are the only theories I'm ruling out at this point.

My fun theory that I have no proof of...the United States knows and has known the exact location of MAS370.
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Regarding that fun theory, who knows if it is true, there is obviously no way to prove it or disprove it with what we know. But it would interesting to speculate on why the US knows, and why we're keeping secret. I can think of a few reasons, some more reasonable, and others completely off-the-wall.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Well, sorry for not having 1000s of hours of flight experience and knowing emergency protocol... :rolleyes: Could you please explain why this is obviously a wrong answer then?

I'm someone who has almost no experience with flights: A trip to Florida when I was three, a local flight in a 4-seat Cessna as part of being a Cub Scout when I 10 or 11, a float plane "tour" in Northern Wisconsin when I was 13, and a trip from Chicago to Orlando in 2008... That's it... Everything else I know is from TV or hearing other people talk about their travels...

To me, that article seemed to make sense... The protocols quoted seemed to be "common sense" solutions to the problem of a fire... In an emergency, I would think that a "common sense" answer would be a way to go when you need to get by on reactions instead of in-depth thought... Again, forgive me for not having a ton of experience with the situation at hand :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Exactly. I fly a bunch for work 30-50 flights per year, but even still, I don't know the first thing that happens up on the flight deck, and what I do know is heavily incfluenced by movies, which all has to be taken with a truckload of salt. But still I am curious about the situation and want to get opinions of what could have happened. MNS has been very helpful, and I know he is about as knowlegable on this stuff as anyone. ms, on the otherhand...
 
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Isn't there an aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean? 7-to-1 they scrambled a fee off that and shot the ****er down. (Just like shanksville)

They knew what was happening.
 
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Then pressured the pointy heads to keep quiet on their radar tracking for 10 days until the evidence was picked up ;)
 
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35 yrs from now Ben aflack's kid will made a movie "Argo f yourself you pointy head buggers" telling the real story.....
 
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jerphisch said:
I forget where it was, but there sis an article by another pilot that says no it isn't plausible, the plance made too many moves after the initial turn around for that theory to hold water.
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My first thoughts when reading the theory - that the sequence of events to follow a possible electrical fire didn't make sense.

That said I would still put money on a crash since I can't wrap my head around someone safely landing a commercial airliner which 2 weeks later remains in secret.
 
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jerphisch said:
I forget where it was, but there sis an article by another pilot that says no it isn't plausible, the plance made too many moves after the initial turn around for that theory to hold water.
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If there was a fire and they did turn to the nearest airport, why wouldn't they communicate that with ATC or their dispatch? It just doesn't make sense to me that they would turn the plane around and say "Good Night" without any mention of an emergency.
 
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