College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons

[Bob Gray]

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Why would they play a different number of conference games than everyone else? both schools are still playing 9 conference games, just like everyone else. They just happen to play a 10th on in a non-conference setting.

Yah, it looks like it's just a non-conference game with a conference foe. What would be weird is if they were scheduled to play each other in conference also, so they'd have two games against each other the same season. But I'm guessing the Pac Ten scheduling folks purposely steered clear of that.

 

[French Rage]

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Yah, it looks like it's just a non-conference game with a conference foe. What would be weird is if they were scheduled to play each other in conference also, so they'd have two games against each other the same season. But I'm guessing the Pac Ten scheduling folks purposely steered clear of that.

Yeah, CU gets Stanford and Utah gets Berkeley.

Interestingly, Utah gets to avoid both Stanford and Oregon this year, in what can only be called the most favorable scheduling of all time. Of All Time!

 

[bigmrg74]

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Why would they play a different number of conference games than everyone else? both schools are still playing 9 conference games, just like everyone else. They just happen to play a 10th on in a non-conference setting.

Happens all the time in college football in the smaller divisions. Big Conferences have excess teams around, and they got an open date they want to fill, and the clostest team with the same open date as them is a conference mate that they don't happen to already play that year.

 

[Priceless]

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It's been more than 11 months since the NCAA Committee on Infractions hit USC with the harshest penalties in the modern era of college football since the "death penalty" meted out to SMU in 1987.

Wednesday, according to multiple sources inside and outside the university, the final decision of the NCAA's Infractions Appeals Committee was in hand and being reviewed by USC before its Thursday release by the NCAA.

And it's not good news for USC football.

Despite speculation and media reports that there might be a willingness on the part of the NCAA to listen favorably to a USC appeal that had asked that the 30 scholarships lost over three years with a maximum of 75 allowed and a two-year postseason bowl ban be cut in half, USCFootball.com's sources indicate that USC's appeal has been denied completely.

The Trojans football team will be allowed to sign no more than 15 players to scholarships for the next three seasons (against a top limit of 25 for schools not under sanction).

And of even more immediate impact, USC would not be able to compete for the first-ever Pac-12 championship or appear in the first-ever postseason championship game in 2011 as well.

Of further concern, the NCAA's unprecedented additional sanction allowing players affected by the postseason ban this year to immediately transfer to another institution without sitting out a season would still be in play for this year's seniors.

Link

 

[bigmrg74]

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Link

No year penalty for a kid wanting to transfer to another D1-A school, thats pretty big right there.

 

[Handyman]

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And somewhere tOSU is laughing their *** off. USC gets bent over hardcore for Reggie Bush and Ohio State loses players for worthless non-con games and they got to play in the Sugar Bowl.

If te NCAA had any balls tOSU would be quaking in their boots...they dont so they arent.

 

[alfablue]

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And somewhere tOSU is laughing their *** off. USC gets bent over hardcore for Reggie Bush and Ohio State loses players for worthless non-con games and they got to play in the Sugar Bowl.

If te NCAA had any balls tOSU would be quaking in their boots...they dont so they arent.

Has the final rule against vest man come down, yet? (I know you partially post in jest, but wonder if the opposite is actually true)

 

[Bob Gray]

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And Auburn smirks as they polish up their national championship trophy. But, can't say I'm surprised by the NCAA.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Has the final rule against vest man come down, yet? (I know you partially post in jest, but wonder if the opposite is actually true)

And Auburn smirks as they polish up their national championship trophy. But, can't say I'm surprised by the NCAA.

Pretty much. They bring the pain and really hose those schools good, that would do a lot to prevent further shenanagins from going on. Pimpslapping Boise State for something that doesn't even quite total 5,000 bucks doesn't do anything other than to prove that the big boys can pretty much get away with murder.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Pretty much. They bring the pain and really hose those schools good, that would do a lot to prevent further shenanagins from going on. Pimpslapping Boise State for something that doesn't even quite total 5,000 bucks doesn't do anything other than to prove that the big boys can pretty much get away with murder.

But one would have thought USC is one of the big boys. I think the NCAA is just flat out inconsistent, and I really can't explain why they go after some schools and give other schools pretty much a free pass.

 

[bronconick]

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Has the final rule against vest man come down, yet? (I know you partially post in jest, but wonder if the opposite is actually true)

Ohio State's not done. They got ruled on what had been public in December, where the NCAA got bribed by Delany and the Sugar Bowl committee to let the kids play. Everything that's come out since then is new stuff the NCAA hasn't looked at.

 

[pirate]

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But one would have thought USC is one of the big boys. I think the NCAA is just flat out inconsistent, and I really can't explain why they go after some schools and give other schools pretty much a free pass.

Certainly there are politics in the NCAA and relationships between the powers that be at both the schools and the NCAA. That has to be a factor, but I don't think the NCAA looks at two even situations (if that even happens) and decides to prosecute one of them.

Just like one kid thinks dad favors the sibling, I can see a school/conference or its fans thinking that the NCAA has it in for them and allows the other guys to get away with murder {insert OJ joke here} but my take is that there are other factors including how cooperative the school was and the harder to define 'culture of compliance' at the school.

I wouldn't say the way I treat my kids is equal but I do think it is proportional to their cumulative behavior and the specifics of the situation in front of me (and possibly what kind of day I had )

They always compare and complain that it isn't fair...and I tell them life ain't fair and the last person complaining about fairness should be the person that just got in trouble. Since the NCAA isn't an employer of these schools, I think they can get away with an approach closer to 'dad' than the HR department.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Certainly there are politics in the NCAA and relationships between the powers that be at both the schools and the NCAA. That has to be a factor, but I don't think the NCAA looks at two even situations (if that even happens) and decides to prosecute one of them.

Just like one kid thinks dad favors the sibling, I can see a school/conference or its fans thinking that the NCAA has it in for them and allows the other guys to get away with murder {insert OJ joke here} but my take is that there are other factors including how cooperative the school was and the harder to define 'culture of compliance' at the school.

I wouldn't say the way I treat my kids is equal but I do think it is proportional to their cumulative behavior and the specifics of the situation in front of me (and possibly what kind of day I had )

They always compare and complain that it isn't fair...and I tell them life ain't fair and the last person complaining about fairness should be the person that just got in trouble. Since the NCAA isn't an employer of these schools, I think they can get away with an approach closer to 'dad' than the HR department.

You kinda sound like you're defending the NCAA as being reasonable! That'd be a true rarity around here. Or am I misunderstanding your tone?

 

[Handyman]

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Has the final rule against vest man come down, yet? (I know you partially post in jest, but wonder if the opposite is actually true)

It is not done yet, despite the fact that there is enough public (and admitted to) crap to bury Sweatervest nothing has changed. All self-imposed penalties as of now.

The thing is, the NCAA is not going to rule before the season starts. If they rule the players ineligible for more games the players will sue. (they will lose, but they will sue) They came back on the understanding they would be suspended for specific games and now that is no longer true. There will be appeals, and bad press and in the end the players will end up playing anyways.

Also, unless the NCAA really wants to look bad they will basically force tOSU's hand and fire Sweatervest. If they do that in the summer, they screw tOSU because a coaching search now could be killer. Recruits and players would most likely be allowed to leave at will (much like USC) and they have little time to make up for it. A ruling like that in the next couple months would set tOSU back years.

Now all of that fallout I would be fine with...tOSU made their bed and they should be forced to lie in it. The NCAA (and the Big Ten) is not fine with that so it wont happen. They will stall and stall, play it safe and then announce probably around the Big Ten Title Game since most likely tOSU will not be in it. Then tOSU will refuse their bowl game, let Sweatervest retire and serve its most likely one year bowl ban.

I want to be wrong, because if I am not Auburn will get off even better, but I just dont see the NCAA coming down hard on tOSU. The longer it is out of the news the easier it is for them to sweep it under the rug.

 

[pirate]

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You kinda sound like you're defending the NCAA as being reasonable! That'd be a true rarity around here. Or am I misunderstanding your tone?

Yes and no.

I'm trying to say that I don't think they ever said it would always be equal and since every situation is different, the actions will actually never be equal. As for proportionality, two factors...one, we don't know all the facts they see; two, there are politics in play.

So, a lot of people define fair as equal...I don't think equal exists so it will never be fair to some.

Even if we wanted to measure fair in unequal situations, we'd have no baseline since we have no idea which decision(s) was free of politics and unseen circumstances.

So, they suspend one guy 5 games and another 3...we could assume they are just crazy or that they aren't crazy and are in fact reasonably intelligent people who felt there were differences in the situations, which could include political considerations, that they either felt were justified to consider or the variances in outcomes provide enough leeway to make those types of accomodations.

 

[alfablue]

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Pretty much. They bring the pain and really hose those schools good, that would do a lot to prevent further shenanagins from going on. Pimpslapping Boise State for something that doesn't even quite total 5,000 bucks doesn't do anything other than to prove that the big boys can pretty much get away with murder.

The value of the issues at tOSU and Boise Community College are not that far apart- didn't the Bucks get somewhere between $6-8k in their crap? On the flip side, if you look at the BCC numbers, it's pretty questionable to have $7/day of room and transportation- but they say it's a guy sleeping on the couch.

The real difference is that a high official at OSU 1) knew what was going on, 2) knew is was wrong, 3) didn't report it, and 4) lied about knowing and reporting it (since it appears that he did report it to the FBI).

BCC just has some stupid coaches who thought it was a good idea that future students at the school stay the night and get driven around by current players for free. As much as I have fun giving those idiots grief, the fact that the actual $$ moved around being very similar seems to be quite irrelevant.

BCC has stupid coaches, tOSU has an administrator trying to knowingly hide something.

Where BCC has issues is if the NCAA puts the stupid FB coaches into the same penalty as the completly moronic women's tennis coaches. That would be bad for them.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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I saw an article in the Sporting News on Boise State's trouble and what they should do.

"The answer to every question should be 'Cecil Newton'."

 

[Handyman]

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http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ra...ome-players-don-t-think-about-rules-1.2256503

Wow...now THAT is going to hurt!

Personally I love this quote ""We have apartments, car notes," he said. "So you got things like that and you look around and you're like, ‘Well I got (four) of them, I can sell one or two and get some money to pay this rent." First of all, don't get a car if you cant afford one. Second, later on it talks about how they were given deals by Jack Maxton Chevrolet.

When the school newspaper is writing this stuff it is never good.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Sportscenter right now reporting that Tressel has resigned.

 

[Greyeagle]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6606999