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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

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With all the moronic things going on in the Big East, Syracuse will be a fine #2 to TCU.

As for the Big East being horrible, they only play who they get in front of them and they've been beating the teams they play.

Also, I'm just waiting for the announcement that the Big East is out of the AQ so TCU would continue to get screwed. :D We can't have them interlopers sneak into our party says the Big Twen/Big Twelve-2/Pac 12/SEC. :D
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
As for the Big East being horrible, they only play who they get in front of them and they've been beating the teams they play.
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Umm but thats the point, they aren't beating who is put in front of them during the season. 4-loss teams don't belong in the BCS regardless of conference or the fact that the BCS is an abomination.
 
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I think the arguement is that the Big East isn't HORRIBLE - not that they are better than the Big 10. And I do agree that there should be a minimum requirement for a conference champ for a BCS bowl - but that will NEVER happen because of the money invovled.

The Big East is what it is. I put them closer to the ACC and Pac 10 in football than the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 right now. I certainly expect that the Big East will be better as a conference next year - and adding TCU will just be a bonus there.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
Also, I'm just waiting for the announcement that the Big East is out of the AQ so TCU would continue to get screwed. :D We can't have them interlopers sneak into our party says the Big Twen/Big Twelve-2/Pac 12/SEC. :D
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That is just it, its about the interlopers at this point... those who belong and don't belong to the party.
 
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Patman said:
That is just it, its about the interlopers at this point... those who belong and don't belong to the party.
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That's what the BCS was created to guarantee.
 
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Kepler said:
That's what the BCS was created to guarantee.
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it was created to have a 1 vs. 2 championship and not to let the other bowls get to upset with each other.... now it has turned into a procedure to try to reward what the networks and the bowl committees would REALLY want.
 
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Patman said:
it was created to have a 1 vs. 2 championship and not to let the other bowls get to upset with each other.... now it has turned into a procedure to try to reward what the networks and the bowl committees would REALLY want.
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OK, I'll buy that, although nothing said they could not have created a system where there was one extra bowl for 1 v 2 and then everything else was unchanged (i.e., no "BCS conference" concept at all).

At this point my ideal situation would be to pull the real bowls back to Jan 1 (sorry NHL) and then have the new 1 v 2 play the next week. That would restore the bowls and still let the media wanks and bigger is better peabrains marinate in their Super Bowl wanna be-ness. But that wouldn't protect the BCS conferences' monopoly, and it wouldn't make the money that the networks' real end game, the playoff, would, so we're stuck with this abortion for a few more years until we finally get January Madness.

Which will probably be fun, but it's a shame that the one thing that made semi-professional college football unique has been paved over.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
With all the moronic things going on in the Big East, Syracuse will be a fine #2 to TCU.

As for the Big East being horrible, they only play who they get in front of them and they've been beating the teams they play.

Also, I'm just waiting for the announcement that the Big East is out of the AQ so TCU would continue to get screwed. :D We can't have them interlopers sneak into our party says the Big Twen/Big Twelve-2/Pac 12/SEC. :D
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They wont be out of the AQ. If TCU and Utah had stayed in the MWC, and Boise joined, then most likely yes, the MWC would have been a AQ Conf. But Utah and TCU take their "points" so to speak with them making the MWC the glorified WAC.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Precisely. He's "under suspicion". Not convicted. I wasn't too impressed with the hire on pure football terms, and if he is in fact guilty, by all means throw him out of town as fast as possible, just seems a little quick.

In other news, Randy Edsall is said to be at the top of Maryland's list.
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Edsall accepts the Maryland job. Interesting.
 
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That is interesting...reports around here had him taking the Minnesota job if his team had not won the Big East, now they lose their BCS game and he leaves for the Maryland job. He obviously wanted out of UCONN.
 
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Handyman said:
That is interesting...reports around here had him taking the Minnesota job if his team had not won the Big East, now they lose their BCS game and he leaves for the Maryland job. He obviously wanted out of UCONN.
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You know what's even more interesting? Mike Leach is still unemployed. :D
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Isn't being a football coach considered at will employment? Can't they pretty much be fired for no reason at all like most other people in America?
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No. Unlike most at-will employees, football coaches generally work under employment contracts that dictate particular payments if they're not fired for cause (and in general, "for cause" does not appear to include incompetence).
 
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I was behind Maryland for getting rid of Friedgen-if they brought in a big name. Now that they've brought in Edsall, what's the point? Is he really going to fill that stadium better than Ralph did?
 
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NMU8405 said:
They wont be out of the AQ. If TCU and Utah had stayed in the MWC, and Boise joined, then most likely yes, the MWC would have been a AQ Conf. But Utah and TCU take their "points" so to speak with them making the MWC the glorified WAC.
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take away my obvious bias against BCC...

But I don't think it would have been that easy for the MWC to do that. And even if they got into the BCS, one of the issues is the contracted bowls for the rest of the conference- *maybe* they would be given one decent payout bowl a year, but I would not be surprised that the rich conferences would go after the remaining bowls to take a profitable bowl away from the MWC.

Really, this whole thing is about money. While I really like to make fun of BSU's fans (more than their teams)- their situation this bowl season is a perfect illustration- have a great season, except for two missed field goals (or a bad team second half- it doesn't really matter), including winning a national TV game against VT. But end up in a pretty minor, pre-christmas bowl in Vegas. Sure, it's a short drive from both BSU and Utah fans. But compare that with to pretty bad 7-5 Big 10 teams who played on New Years Day, in Florida. I'd be willing to bet that both Penn State and Michigan brought more fans to Florida than BSU averages at a home game. that's not to really slight Boise, but to show the money in the other states.

Michigan got the honor of being embarassed, badly, (and thankfully, I hope to hear this week) and took home a lot more cash to spread to the rest of the B10 all from managing to win 7 games, somehow. Vs. BSU's 11.

So what I'm saying is that IF a conference somehow manages to become BCS eligible, the big conferences would probably drag their feet for a LONG time, and cast a lot more doubt. Or stop the program entirely.

On the money front, I wonder how much ESPN looses now that Jan 1 and passed, and there are really only two games that mean anything to anyone- and one of them has the same two school audience as if it had been played before new years as before.
 
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Handyman said:
That is interesting...reports around here had him taking the Minnesota job if his team had not won the Big East, now they lose their BCS game and he leaves for the Maryland job. He obviously wanted out of UCONN.
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Well, you have to figure it's bad enough being at Kentucky, Syracuse, Duke, etc., where you're the 2nd most important coach on campus. At UConn, he was probably behind Auriemma and his band of East German basketball players, too.

And nothing against UConn, as they've done an impressive job of even being competitive for titles this early in FBS, but their title this year is in large part a reward for having a decent coach while the other major programs you'd expect to win the conference sputtered (WVU, Cincy recently, Pitt, Louisville). Add TCU into that mix, especially with Patterson showing no signs of being interested in leaving, and he had a serious uphill climb to ever get back up the mountain.

I doubt Maryland's the answer, but I'm seriously biased and have a hard time seeing them beating Florida State for the Atlantic now that FSU has something other than a zombie head coach.
 
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alfablue said:
take away my obvious bias against BCC...

But I don't think it would have been that easy for the MWC to do that. And even if they got into the BCS, one of the issues is the contracted bowls for the rest of the conference- *maybe* they would be given one decent payout bowl a year, but I would not be surprised that the rich conferences would go after the remaining bowls to take a profitable bowl away from the MWC.

Really, this whole thing is about money. While I really like to make fun of BSU's fans (more than their teams)- their situation this bowl season is a perfect illustration- have a great season, except for two missed field goals (or a bad team second half- it doesn't really matter), including winning a national TV game against VT. But end up in a pretty minor, pre-christmas bowl in Vegas. Sure, it's a short drive from both BSU and Utah fans. But compare that with to pretty bad 7-5 Big 10 teams who played on New Years Day, in Florida. I'd be willing to bet that both Penn State and Michigan brought more fans to Florida than BSU averages at a home game. that's not to really slight Boise, but to show the money in the other states.

Michigan got the honor of being embarassed, badly, (and thankfully, I hope to hear this week) and took home a lot more cash to spread to the rest of the B10 all from managing to win 7 games, somehow. Vs. BSU's 11.

So what I'm saying is that IF a conference somehow manages to become BCS eligible, the big conferences would probably drag their feet for a LONG time, and cast a lot more doubt. Or stop the program entirely.

On the money front, I wonder how much ESPN looses now that Jan 1 and passed, and there are really only two games that mean anything to anyone- and one of them has the same two school audience as if it had been played before new years as before.
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Or you just invite a couple of the teams to your new conferences. The new MWC won't ever have the conference average in the rankings to get a BCS invite under the current rules. If hell freezes over and they somehow manage it at some point with more than just Boise State, I'd imagine the Big XII-2 will hold their nose and invite a couple more teams out of the MWC rather than bump the conference up, and unless Boise actually puts some money into their academics at some point, it won't be them again.
 
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