College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

[dxmnkd316]

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WHAT THE HELL is Michele Tafoya doing?! That was the single most awkward postgame interview I've ever seen.

 

[bronconick]

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Great points. I love the tradition of the Bowl games. I would miss having a Rose Bowl or Sugar Bowl game in place of a playoff. I also do enjoy how important every game is in the college season. Although the current system leaves undefeated teams out of the national championship.

What the. I don't even.

TCU played in the Rose Bowl. So did Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas (twice), the SEC Champion is nowhere near the Sugar Bowl for the sixth straight year, the Citrus and Peach Bowls died and rose as zombie Corporate Bowls, the Cotton Bowl is played in Cowboy Stadium, and the Orange Bowl's Big 8 team hasn't been seen since about 1994. What farking tradition?

In the current system, the only games that meant anything that last "rivalry week" was Oregon State-Oregon and Auburn-Alabama

OSU-Michigan, LSU-Arkansas, Florida State-Florida, Georgia Tech-Georgia, Notre Dame-USC, South Carolina-Clemson, Iowa-Minnesota, etc.

All meaningless, because it's a two team playoff.

Everyone has this vision that teams are going to rest a dozen players because the Indianapolis Colts do it. The Colts aren't in danger of losing hypothetical home field games, recruits, and hordes of ****ed off alumni if they throw a game late.

"Congrats, Auburn. You sat your guys in the Iron Bowl. Instead of finishing 1st and getting a bye or an easyish home game, you get to travel to Wisconsin in mid-December, and you've shot your recruiting in the foot by losing by 34 to Alabama."

 

[Biddco]

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The tradition of the last 10 years then Or specifically the Rose Bowl. It bugs me that their isn't a Pac-10 or Big Tweleven team in the Rose Bowl. I see the positives and negatives with each system and potential system.

 

[RaceBoarder]

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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AlVeuVrLwrPCeurfsUh6QN85nYcB?slug=dw-pryor010311

A nice commentary on the running joke that is tOSU Tatoo-gate....

 

[Handyman]

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What the. I don't even.

TCU played in the Rose Bowl. So did Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas (twice), the SEC Champion is nowhere near the Sugar Bowl for the sixth straight year, the Citrus and Peach Bowls died and rose as zombie Corporate Bowls, the Cotton Bowl is played in Cowboy Stadium, and the Orange Bowl's Big 8 team hasn't been seen since about 1994. What farking tradition?

In the current system, the only games that meant anything that last "rivalry week" was Oregon State-Oregon and Auburn-Alabama

OSU-Michigan, LSU-Arkansas, Florida State-Florida, Georgia Tech-Georgia, Notre Dame-USC, South Carolina-Clemson, Iowa-Minnesota, etc.

All meaningless, because it's a two team playoff.

Everyone has this vision that teams are going to rest a dozen players because the Indianapolis Colts do it. The Colts aren't in danger of losing hypothetical home field games, recruits, and hordes of ****ed off alumni if they throw a game late.

"Congrats, Auburn. You sat your guys in the Iron Bowl. Instead of finishing 1st and getting a bye or an easyish home game, you get to travel to Wisconsin in mid-December, and you've shot your recruiting in the foot by losing by 34 to Alabama."

Yep, the BCS is the worst. At least the old system had tradition, I mean Big Ten teams cared more about the Rose Bowl than the mythic NT that was a joke anyways. Making the Cotton Bowl was a huge deal, the Peach Bowl was an event...now they are nothing.

The BCS has killed the old traditions, and that is fine because now the big bowls can play host to the later playoff games without worrying about who is in them.

Honsetly I would rather go back to the old way and ignore the title than have this hybrid faux title where only the big schools can be champion. It is a joke and an insult to all the midmajors out there.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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No but so what...the point of the BCS was to crown a champion which the old system didnt do and the fact is that only a team from a major conference can win it. TCU is undefeated and beat a Top 5 BCS school in the Rose Bowl and won't even get a share. And if they had 1 loss they never make a major bowl unlike the rest of the conferences. (look at BSU) Under the old system wouldnt TCU be playing in the Cotton Bowl...which used to have cache before the BCS crapped all over it?

If you had this season under the old bowl system, you'd probably have Auburn (Sugar Bowl), Oregon (Rose Bowl) and TCU (most likely the Cotton or Fiesta Bowl) all playing in different bowl games. At least with the BCS, you are assured of two of those teams playing each other. The old system offered no guarantee of any sort.

Really, TCU's only chance of being champion in the Old System was for Auburn AND Oregon to lose a game at some point, while they remain undefeated. Under the BCS, they just need ONE of them to lose during the regular season, then they can beat the other in the title game. I would say that in that scenario, TCU has more control in the current system than the old one.

When TCU, Auburn and Oregon go undefeated, and TCU gets shut out, I have no problem with that on the basis of strength of schedule. You only have room for two teams in a championship game, and someone has to go. Might as well be the team with the least challenging road in the regular season. We see it with the NCAA hockey tourney (of course the WCHA will get 5 or 6 teams in the field if they collectively go .800 in non-conference play), we see it with the NCAA bouncey-ball tourney (obviously the Big Ten, ACC and Big East will get more teams in the field than the Patriot League or Horizon League). Why do we get so upset by it in the BCS? Sure, the BCS ranking system is stupid compared to something like RPI, but in terms of strength of schedule, don't you think it's still getting it right? It's not like an undefeated TCU was going to finish the season below a one-loss team.

Maybe in the beginning you were right, but nowadays it for ****ed sure is a cartel out to basically squeeze every dime out of the system and keep it for themselves. They dont even pretend to hide it (hell Jim Delaney flaunts it) and they want to make it even worse by trying to allow 3 teams from one conference in. (which Delaney openly lobbied for just a month ago) Christ a "smaller school" has to go undefeated to even have a shot now, imagine if the BCS has the right to take a third SEC team you dont think they will? Most years a 2 loss alabama or LSU will make it over an undefeated TCU if such a plan comes to fruition.

That's a pretty valid point. I'm not a huge fan of the way the BCS functions. I wish they would just keep it simple: one AQ for the conferences that gave up bowl games to establish the BCS, then at-large bids dictated by the rankings. Who cares about the conference, just let the numbers fill in the rest. It would be much better for the rankings to be more like the PWR/KRACH/RPI instead of the insanely stupid "polls" system that the BCS currently uses, but the point is the same: the BCS loses credibility when it becomes a system of back room deals and entitlement. It gains credibility through simplicity and transparency.

If the system was just supposed to bring a balance to the major bowls I would be with you because now non big conference schools have a shot, but the "C" stands for "Championship" the point was to have the "1 vs. 2" matchup and crown a National Champion. As it is, basically the "Champion" is just the best of the major colleges and the rest can eat sand. Any system that allows for a team to be undefeated (and not on probation) and not have a chance to play for the title is a botched system anyways, but when the big guys set the rules and they benefit the most from them than it is rigged.

When it is rigged with back-room deals, "human" polls, and goofy rules for the at-large bids? Yes, that is absurd. Of course a proper tourney would solve the whole issue, but failing that, don't you think that the BCS is at least an improvement?

 

[Handyman]

Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AlVeuVrLwrPCeurfsUh6QN85nYcB?slug=dw-pryor010311

A nice commentary on the running joke that is tOSU Tatoo-gate....

Holy crap...Pryor is quoting as saying he knew what he did was wrong...this guy is a mental midget. The NCAA lost any chance they had to look legit in their fake claims and tOSU looks even more like frauds.

Then you read this:

Just as things were quieting down, the Dispatch reported on Jan. 2 that Pryor had been pulled over by police three times in the last three years driving “loaner” cars from a local used car dealer, Auto Direct. Pryor told the paper he only borrowed the cars when his own car (currently a Dodge Charger) was in the shop with repairs.

Ohio State said it was aware of two of the incidents and would look into the third. If we’re led to believe the borrowing of cars were again isolated incidents, then Pryor has some bad luck with local cops. He seemingly gets pulled over every time he receives a nice loaner. Either that or he drives them all the time, of course.

The car dealer did tell the newspaper that he also allowed Pryor, in 2008, to drive a Dodge SUV back to Pryor’s home in Pennsylvania. “I wanted advice from some of my family and friends I trusted to see if it would be a good vehicle for me to maybe buy,” Pryor said.

Unsupervised, out-of-state test drivers of used cars are common practice, correct?

Oops.

What a crock...

 

[Handyman]

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When it is rigged with back-room deals, "human" polls, and goofy rules for the at-large bids? Yes, that is absurd. Of course a proper tourney would solve the whole issue, but failing that, don't you think that the BCS is at least an improvement?

No...no I dont. I would rather have the old system. This is like spraying febreeze on a dog crap in your living room. It may cover up the smell but it sure doesnt solve the problem. If there is not going to be a tourny than bring back the old bowls and be done with it.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Holy crap...Pryor is quoting as saying he knew what he did was wrong...this guy is a mental midget. The NCAA lost any chance they had to look legit in their fake claims and tOSU looks even more like frauds.

The bright side to all of this is that the former Iraqi Information Minister has apparently gotten a job with the NCAA...

 

[Handyman]

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the bright side to all of this is that the former iraqi information minister has apparently gotten a job with the ncaa...

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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No...no I dont. I would rather have the old system. This is like spraying febreeze on a dog crap in your living room. It may cover up the smell but it sure doesnt solve the problem. If there is not going to be a tourny than bring back the old bowls and be done with it.

That would be better, but only for keeping the bowl traditions alive and as long as everyone stopped caring about who the national champion is (as you noted above).

 

[bigmrg74]

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I have a better chance of quarterbacking Michigan Tech and winning the Rose Bowl than TCU playing without the BCS.

Pretty sure Michigan Tech wouldn't be going to the Rose Bowl, under either the old or new system. Especially considering that they drew like what, maybe 25,000 to the Bash at the Big House. Not many bowls would be happy to see those numbers, especially the Rose.

But they would have one thing going for them, their band could actually get away with putting a stunt that the Stanford Band would consider mildly un-PC. Who wouldn't want to see the story about Blotto, the flaming trumpet??

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Pretty sure Michigan Tech wouldn't be going to the Rose Bowl, under either the old or new system. Especially considering that they drew like what, maybe 25,000 to the Bash at the Big House. Not many bowls would be happy to see those numbers, especially the Rose.

That was kind of the point...

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

That was kind of the point...

You'll have to excuse the monster...he's a D2 guy and therefore kind of slow...

 

[Kepler]

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I was behind Maryland for getting rid of Friedgen-if they brought in a big name.

Really? I honestly did not understand that move at all, particularly since the Fridge was obviously not willing to go gently into that good night. I don't understand what the Terps expect beyond what he gave them -- do they think they're going to be VaTech or something? I'd like to see him get some I-AA job and App State them someday. I liked him (though in fairness I'm a loyalty freak).

 

[WeWantMore]

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Really? I honestly did not understand that move at all, particularly since the Fridge was obviously not willing to go gently into that good night. I don't understand what the Terps expect beyond what he gave them -- do they think they're going to be VaTech or something? I'd like to see him get some I-AA job and App State them someday. I liked him (though in fairness I'm a loyalty freak).

Well, he only had the 1 year left on his contract, his "coach in waiting" had just bolted, and he wasn't filling the stadium. If you didn't want to extend him, it didn't make a ton of sense to keep him around for a lame duck year.

I wasn't starting fireralphfriedgen.com or anything like that, I just thought the whining after he got canned was ridiculous. I mean, people somberly bemoaning all the money in the game, and how it shouldn't have been such a business decision, poor Ralph,and on and on and on. Excuse me, but college football made Friedgen a rich man. You can't benefit from that and then turn around and moan about it when the business turns against you.

I don't think it's outrageous to expect a little better from Maryland football- have you seen the ACC? The champion lost to James Madison for cripes sake. They clearly want to be competing for a BCS Bowl every year, I don't think that's such an Herculean task.

 

[bronconick]

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Really? I honestly did not understand that move at all, particularly since the Fridge was obviously not willing to go gently into that good night. I don't understand what the Terps expect beyond what he gave them -- do they think they're going to be VaTech or something? I'd like to see him get some I-AA job and App State them someday. I liked him (though in fairness I'm a loyalty freak).

Since the ACC has been so down in the last decade (read: Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Miami since they joined), half the schools now have this belief that they can compete for titles. Virginia Tech's a nice program, but they're the equivalent to when Colorado was winning in the Big XII while Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska were struggling. I mean, really. 1-27 vs. the top 5?

They see "Hey, if some hicks in Blacksburg can recruit and run roughshod over the league, why can't we? College Park is just as nice!"

You've had the same in the Big East, because West Virginia hired a moron to replace Rodriguez, Pitt is still waiting for Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett to show up again, and Boeheim and Greg Robinson did their best to neuter Syracuse. So you end up with Louisville, Cincinatti and Connecticut with 4 of the last 5.

 

[Kepler]

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Well, we'll see what happens. I think the folks in CP started to drink their own Kool Aid and imagine that their entitlement level is 9-3, and a new face will magically swing them over the top. I'm not by any means a Maryland expert, but to me they are a natural sub-.500 program that has only been relatively successful because the incumbent staff bailed faster than they took on water, and now without their (by local standards) big, comfortable presence they are headed for 4-8 land.

I'd love to see them do well (and REALLY love them to get rid of that unsightly Terps on jerseys and helmets -- really? You can't just spell out "Maryland" and have an "M" like a school proud of its traditions instead of looking like some juvenile AFL franchise?).

 

[pirate]

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Well, we'll see what happens. I think the folks in CP started to drink their own Kool Aid and imagine that their entitlement level is 9-3, and a new face will magically swing them over the top. I'm not by any means a Maryland expert, but to me they are a natural sub-.500 program that has only been relatively successful because the incumbent staff bailed faster than they took on water, and now without their (by local standards) big, comfortable presence they are headed for 4-8 land.

I'd love to see them do well (and REALLY love them to get rid of that unsightly Terps on jerseys and helmets -- really? You can't just spell out "Maryland" and have an "M" like a school proud of its traditions instead of looking like some juvenile AFL franchise?).

First, completely agree on the uni's, too much going on. They have good colors so should need to do less with the stylin'.

My take on Edsall to MD was that maybe he was looking for a change (isn't there some friction with the AD), wasn't seeing the same offers that Muschamp and Golden were seeing and decided he needed a better conference (if the ACC is one) to launch his next phase. Maybe he got some feedback that starting from scratch is good experience but he won't get 12 years to get to a BCS game at Miami or Florida and somebody wanted to see him turnaround an existing program vs. slowly build one...that is one place Golden could say he was far more qualified despite having lesser HC results.

He took one program from 0 to 60, now he gets to see if he can turn a 'decent' program into a consistent top 25 contender.

So if he didn't get the ND job, TN job, USC job, Miami job, Florida job....there must be some reason...if he wants to crack one of those type of jobs in the future, maybe a change was in order.

 

[Kepler]

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The apparent Leach ban makes one think maybe he comes across as a complete d-bag on an interview.