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College Football 2021: Cash is King

My childhood memories of NCAA football are these were the teams you'd see on NYD more than any others. My memory might be slightly faulty although those memories feel backed up a bit here:

-Michigan
-Ohio State
-USC
-Washington
-Penn State
-Notre Dame
-A&M
-Bama
-Auburn
-Miami
-Texas
-Nebraska
-Oklahoma
-LSU
-ASU
-Arkansas
-Tennessee
-Pitt
 
In (real) high school football news, St Francis of Mountain View beat De La Salle of Concord for the latter's first loss to a NorCal team in 30 years, during which time the latter went 316-0-2 against said competition.
 
LynahFan said:
I see what you did with the rivalries, but my Presumed Perennial Powers lost would include Florida, FSU, and Miami over A&M and UCLA, the poor step-brothers to their powerful rivals. Clemson with an honorable mention, but just miss the cut since much of their success is still too recent.
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As it pertains to Clemson, I would just point out that from 1977-1991, the Tigers:
Won 77.3% of its games (133-37-6)
Won 7 ACC Championships
Won 1 National Championship
Won 10+ games in a season 6 times
Won Bowl Games against: Ohio State, Nebraska, Stanford, Penn State, and Oklahoma

This of course, does not include the "Golden Age" of Clemson football under Frank Howard (think: Howard's Rock), who led the Tigers to 8 conference championships and a couple of undefeated seasons.

No program has won more ACC Championships than Clemson.
 
MichVandal said:
so maybe the Pac12 does not suck this year. Or Ohio was overrated. Oregon over OSU 35-28.
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Last week was certainly not stellar with Stanford losing to KSU, Cal to Nevada, and the whopper being UW to Montana. This week though we have Oregon beating OSU and Colorado currently leading A&M. So who knows.
 
LynahFan said:
I see what you did with the rivalries, but my Presumed Perennial Powers lost would include Florida, FSU, and Miami over A&M and UCLA, the poor step-brothers to their powerful rivals. Clemson with an honorable mention, but just miss the cut since much of their success is still too recent.
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FS23 makes the point pretty well about Clemson's long term success, but I think this all makes the point that our barometers are heavily weighted on who was good when we were all 5 to 15 years old. Growing up in the 90s, I would not have considered Alabama and Oklahoma major powers at the time given their lulls in the middle of that decade. Of course that all seems crazy now with both a) their post 2000 successes and b) a better understanding of the world pre-1992, but let's be honest our first memories of various sports and their powers still affects our perceptions a little.
 
unofan said:
Which would mean something if we were talking basketball or baseball.
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National Championships by Power 5 Conference in the last 50 years:

By Affiliation at Time of National Title
SEC - 16 Outright / 3 Shares
ACC - 6 Outright / 1 Share
Pac 12 - 1 Outright* / 4 Shares
Big 12 - 7 Outright / 3 Shares
B1G - 2 Outright / 1 Share

By Current Affiliation
SEC - 16 Outright / 3 Shares
ACC - 11 Outright / 2 Shares
Pac 12 - 1 Outright* / 4 Shares
Big 12 - 4 Outright / 1 Share
B1G - 7 Outright / 1 Share

*USC's 2004 Outright Title was vacated

What was your point?
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
National Championships by Power 5 Conference in the last 50 years:

By Affiliation at Time of National Title
SEC - 16 Outright / 3 Shares
ACC - 6 Outright / 1 Share
Pac 12 - 1 Outright* / 4 Shares
Big 12 - 7 Outright / 3 Shares
B1G - 2 Outright / 1 Share

By Current Affiliation
SEC - 16 Outright / 3 Shares
ACC - 11 Outright / 2 Shares
Pac 12 - 1 Outright* / 4 Shares
Big 12 - 4 Outright / 1 Share
B1G - 7 Outright / 1 Share

*USC's 2004 Outright Title was vacated

What was your point?
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My point is the ACC is a crap football conference, and using conference titles won by a team as a measurement of national success is stupid.
 
unofan said:
My point is the ACC is a crap football conference, and using conference titles won by a team as a measurement of national success is stupid.
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It's bad enough that anything can happen in a single game. It's why you use something like the Massey composite to look at ratings of teams using over a hundred different human and computer systems. Different ways to rate teams all mashed together and no single game is given any additional weighting.
 
What happened to the B1G rule to not play teams in lower divisions? I kind of figured a few years ago, that PSU could not have gotten out of their game with the Vandals, but tonight, Idaho is in Indiana to play. It's been known long enough that Idaho was an FCS school to not schedule them.
 
unofan said:
My point is the ACC is a crap football conference, and using conference titles won by a team as a measurement of national success is stupid.
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree that the ACC is a "crap football conference," unless your point is that all college football conferences are crap except the SEC. And if we look at more recent success, no other conference has more playoff appearances than the ACC (8 - tied with the SEC), and no other conference has had more different teams (3 - tied with the SEC) make the playoff.

As to your second point, I cited to numerous facts beyond simply conference achievements as to why Clemson was a top-end football program prior to its recent success, including: 133 wins in a 14 year span; a NATIONAL Championship; and winning Bowl Games over the likes of other strong programs such as Ohio State, Nebraska, Stanford, Penn State, and Oklahoma (although, as none come from the SEC, perhaps they are all "crap" as well?). By your failure to address these points, I presume you concede them.
 
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