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College Football 2021: Cash is King

MichVandal said:
Not to be a smart ***, but what is the best one? I was wondering about that the other day, and I'm using terrible words for google, as I get worthless and non-explanatory ratings.
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The Kelley Ford Ratings. : p

In all seriousness, Massey is a fine system. The biggest problem I have with Massey is that it includes incorrect data (an issue with any sort of composite ranking). Clemson can't be both the 8th best team in the Country (per the Kelley Ford Ratings) and the 68th best team in the Country (per the Chamness Rankings). One of them is wrong. Massey incorporates both.

ETA: I should also note that Massey has no clue on Home Field Advantage. Massey is just flat wrong on that calculation.
 
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Two things, well, three really.

1. Massey is not the same as Massey composite.
2. You misunderstand the point of composite. You can be both 8th and 68th best depending on the ranking system. One may factor in margin or yards or first downs while the mascot dancing. The point is, it measures teams using the widest variety of measures which helps even out the strengths and weaknesses of each system. Stupid systems are averaged out. This helps remove biases and artifacts that humans create even unintentionally.
3. Massey composite is the best.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Two things, well, three really.

1. Massey is not the same as Massey composite.
2. You misunderstand the point of composite. You can be both 8th and 68th best depending on the ranking system. One may factor in margin or yards or first downs while the mascot dancing. The point is, it measures teams using the widest variety of measures which helps even out the strengths and weaknesses of each system. Stupid systems are averaged out. This helps remove biases and artifacts that humans create even unintentionally.
3. Massey composite is the best.
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Again, I disagree. Fact is, a team cannot be both 8th and 68th. One of the "stupid systems" that is being used is wrong, and we shouldn't be using "stupid systems" at all. Also, by your examples you point out exactly why the Massey Composite is flawed...in no world should any ranking that factors in first downs while a mascot is dancing have any weight whatsoever. But maybe that's how Clemson got ranked 8th. ; )
 
1999: Michigan State comes to West Lafayette undefeated and ranked #5 after beating Michigan, loses to Purdue 52-28, and Saban flees to the SEC to duck facing Purdue in the future.

2021: Michigan State comes to West Lafayette undefeated and ranked #3 after beating Michigan, loses to Purdue 40-29.

Congrats on multiple future national titles in the SEC, Mel Tucker.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Again, I disagree. Fact is, a team cannot be both 8th and 68th. One of the "stupid systems" that is being used is wrong, and we shouldn't be using "stupid systems" at all. Also, by your examples you point out exactly why the Massey Composite is flawed...in no world should any ranking that factors in first downs while a mascot is dancing have any weight whatsoever. But maybe that's how Clemson got ranked 8th. ; )
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no, that's how the gophers were ranked so high
 
dxmnkd316 said:
no, that's how the gophers were ranked so high
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: p Makes sense.

Again, I think the idea of the Massey Composite is great. Even despite my criticisms of it, I think it still is a fine system. There are just a few things I really dislike about it. We've gone over it before (and a bit tonight), so I don't think we need to rehash it out.

On a positive note, Clemson holds on to remain undefeated all-time against Louisville. The Tigers still have a (very remote) path to the ACC Title Game, but I believe it would require either: (1) Wake Forest beating NC State next weekend and then losing to both Clemson and Boston College the last two weekends of the season; or (2) NC State beats Wake Forest, but then loses to both Syracuse and North Carolina at home, while Clemson takes down Wake Forest. Scenario 1 creates a 3-way tie between Wake Forest, NC State, and Clemson, and I'm not exactly sure how the tiebreaker would play out. Scenario 2 creates a tie between Clemson and Wake Forest, but Clemson would hold the head-to-head tiebreaker. It's unfortunate that the Wake Forest-North Carolina game today was a non-conference game. The result would have opened up some other scenarios.
 
They're going to slag Cincy for an 8 point win on Tuesday while ignoring that Alabama looks like chit with one score wins over teams with losing records
 
bronconick said:
They're going to slag Cincy for an 8 point win on Tuesday while ignoring that Alabama looks like chit with one score wins over teams with losing records
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You must be forgetting that while they were narrow wins for Alabama, they were against SEC teams that if they played in any other conference in America, not only would they win every game, they would do so in such a convincing fashion they would be awarded negative losses. As a result, those wins are actually more difficult than winning the National Title. That is what none other than Paul Finebaum has told me. ; )
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
You must be forgetting that while they were narrow wins for Alabama, they were against SEC teams that if they played in any other conference in America, not only would they win every game, they would do so in such a convincing fashion they would be awarded negative losses. As a result, those wins are actually more difficult than winning the National Title. That is what none other than Paul Finebaum has told me. ; )
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According to Finebaum, it wasn't God that created the heavens and the Earth, it was Alabama.
 
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