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College Football 2015-16: The Big Ten Rises

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Oh, we did in the computer thread. I almost didn't do this because of the equation he posted for TUC. Luckily, hockey isn't using that anymore so I didn't even have to consider finding a way to create that.
 
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Oh, we did in the computer thread. I almost didn't do this because of the equation he posted for TUC. Luckily, hockey isn't using that anymore so I didn't even have to consider finding a way to create that.

Ok. He's the running joke of being a Graph King on GPL. :)

(gotta poke fun, dx; no harm intended :D )
 
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Sample size is an issue I've thought of. I was going to attempt to also do the 2013 season, but it's pretty time consuming and I began to get busy around the time I finalized everything.

That would've been a great year to test. An undefeated, two 1 loss SEC teams, two 1 loss Big Ten teams, a Baylor team with one loss, and UCF and Louisville each had 1 loss while part of the American, though the American only had four winning teams so they probably would've been kept down by SOS.

It's pretty amazing how much a single game can influence the pairwise, though. At least in football where there are so few games. After remembering Army-Navy is played after the playoffs are determined I re ran the equations and there was some movement even in the top ten among teams. I think that could end up being a huge negative to this, in that the few games make it volatile. But I guess we'll see as this season progresses. It's been a fun project so far, so I'll try to keep up with it at last this year.

The next thing I want to try is basketball, but just adding 350 teams into the system is annoying to think about, let alone updating what will amount to around 10500 games. Plus I'm not entirely sure Excel can handle it the way I have it set up right now.

I almost was going to suggest making a running calculation, but realized that it would be even more problematic.

This would only apply after every game, including championship games, right?

You know what would be even more interesting- run the 2014 calculation using the week before championship weekend- to see if the B12 is indeed penalizing themselves by not having enough teams to have a championship game.

But, other than that part, 2013 would really be interesting. Going all of the coulda/woulda/shoulda... and given that OSU and OU did so well in the post season, well... I'm sure you would be interested to see how the Spartans would have been seeded....

Good stuff. Even if it's a little over the top in terms of fascination. ;)
 
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Do you guys want to pick winners or against the spread? We can decide for next week's games.

Thursday Sept. 3rd

North Carolina at South Carolina
Michigan at Utah
#2 TCU at Minnesota

Friday Sept. 4th

Washington at #21 Boise State

Saturday Sept. 5th

Louisville at #6 Auburn
BYU at Nebraska
#15 Arizona State vs. Texas A&M
Texas at #11 Notre Dame
#20 Wisconsin vs. #3 Alabama

Monday Sept. 7th

#1 Ohio State at Virginia Tech
 
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Thursday Sept. 3rd

North Carolina at South Carolina
Michigan at Utah
#2 TCU at Minnesota

Friday Sept. 4th

Washington at #21 Boise State

Saturday Sept. 5th

Louisville at #6 Auburn
BYU at Nebraska
#15 Arizona State vs. Texas A&M
Texas at #11 Notre Dame
#20 Wisconsin vs. #3 Alabama

Monday Sept. 7th

#1 Ohio State at Virginia Tech
 
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Looking forward to Saturday's road game for Arizona State against Texas A&M. Should be a great game, with both teams looking for a big start to their season. And an interesting clash between what are probably the two toughest divisions in college football this season, the Pac 12 South and the SEC West.
 
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Do you guys want to pick winners or against the spread? We can decide for next week's games.

Thursday Sept. 3rd

North Carolina at South Carolina
Michigan at Utah
#2 TCU at Minnesota

Friday Sept. 4th

Washington at #21 Boise State

Saturday Sept. 5th

Louisville at #6 Auburn
BYU at Nebraska
#15 Arizona State vs. Texas A&M
Texas at #11 Notre Dame
#20 Wisconsin vs. #3 Alabama

Monday Sept. 7th

#1 Ohio State at Virginia Tech

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Predictions:

ACC - GaTech over Clemson
Big 12 - TCU
SEC - Bama over Mizzou
Pac 12 - Oregon over ASU
Group of five NY6 bid - Boise

Random prediction: Western wins the MAC at 10-2 or 9-3, with losses to MSU, OSU, and possibly one in-conference loss.

I'll do a more in-depth Big Ten and MSU prediction later.
 
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They don't? And people still refer to FSU as the Criminoles.
Yeah, but when the PSU story broke, the Miami booster thing pretty much got ignored by the media. If the NCAA really wants programs to clean up, they should really toss around the Death Penalty around a little more liberally.

Did one of their coaches rape kids? In the locker room? And have the administration sweep it under the table? No? Ok, that settles that. Pedo State is still the worst of the worst.
Miami coaches and staff knew the booster was hanging around the kids way too much. SMU got the Death Penalty for far less. Had the NCAA been on the ball, they could have handed both schools the DP for a year or two and made arrangements for Miami's and PSU's opponents that would lose out on those games to meet up with each other, with PSU and Miami footing the bill for those programs to do so. And that would be a weekly reminder for a season or 2 for all of the NCAA that its a **** good idea to run a **** clean program instead of trying to keep things covered up.

Bbdl hit the nail on the head sports are sports. No big deal in the big picture.

Raping children and covering it up? That is unforgivable.
Not saying that kid rape isn't bad, as I feel as that's a crime where the guilty party should be treated to a short drop with a sudden stop within a month of his conviction. But the Booster paying off a stripper to abort a football players baby, a guy if I remember correctly had a pretty good shot at getting into the NFL, when she could have had him on the hook for child support for 18 years, that's just about as shady and disgusting as what just one kid rape would be. Both programs should have been given a Death Penalty for at least a year by the NCAA, and then the NCAA drags their feet about listening to their appeal until a large number of kids transfer out of both programs until they realize that they would just be better off taking their punishment now instead of trying to be competitive with 2/3rds of their upper classmen gone. Overall in the big picture, that's the way you're going to clean up college football.
 
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MSU and Big Ten prediction:

@ Western - W 45-17
vs. Oregon - W 38-24
vs. Air Force - W 49-14
vs. Central W 49-3
vs. Purdue W 45-13
@ Rutgers W 38-10
@ Michigan W 31-14
vs. Indiana W 35-17
@ Nebraska W 34-28
vs. Maryland W 31-13
@ Ohio State L 34-31
vs. Penn State W 28-10
Rose Bowl v Arizona State

Big Ten
East
OSU 8-0
MSU 7-1
PSU 5-3
UM 4-4
Maryland 3-5
Rutgers 3-5
Indiana 2-6

West
Wisconsin 7-1
Minnesota 6-2
Northwestern 5-3
Nebraska 5-3
Iowa 4-4
Illnois 2-6
Purdue 0-8

OSU over Wisconsin. OSU to the playoff
 
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Did you really type, "as what just one kid rape would be"? Not only is fucking just one more than enough it wasn't just one.
 
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Yeah, but when the PSU story broke, the Miami booster thing pretty much got ignored by the media. If the NCAA really wants programs to clean up, they should really toss around the Death Penalty around a little more liberally.

Miami coaches and staff knew the booster was hanging around the kids way too much. SMU got the Death Penalty for far less. Had the NCAA been on the ball, they could have handed both schools the DP for a year or two and made arrangements for Miami's and PSU's opponents that would lose out on those games to meet up with each other, with PSU and Miami footing the bill for those programs to do so. And that would be a weekly reminder for a season or 2 for all of the NCAA that its a **** good idea to run a **** clean program instead of trying to keep things covered up.


Not saying that kid rape isn't bad, as I feel as that's a crime where the guilty party should be treated to a short drop with a sudden stop within a month of his conviction. But the Booster paying off a stripper to abort a football players baby, a guy if I remember correctly had a pretty good shot at getting into the NFL, when she could have had him on the hook for child support for 18 years, that's just about as shady and disgusting as what just one kid rape would be. Both programs should have been given a Death Penalty for at least a year by the NCAA, and then the NCAA drags their feet about listening to their appeal until a large number of kids transfer out of both programs until they realize that they would just be better off taking their punishment now instead of trying to be competitive with 2/3rds of their upper classmen gone. Overall in the big picture, that's the way you're going to clean up college football.
TL,DR: Kiddie rape is bad and all, but ZOMG FREE HOOKERS AND BLOW!!!
 
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Thursday Sept. 3rd

North Carolina at South Carolina
Michigan at Utah
#2 TCU at Minnesota

Friday Sept. 4th

Washington at #21 Boise State

Saturday Sept. 5th

Louisville at #6 Auburn
BYU at Nebraska
#15 Arizona State vs. Texas A&M
Texas at #11 Notre Dame
#20 Wisconsin vs. #3 Alabama

Monday Sept. 7th

#1 Ohio State at Virginia Tech

(Also, the UNC-USC game is neutral in Charlotte)
 
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Yeah, but when the PSU story broke, the Miami booster thing pretty much got ignored by the media. If the NCAA really wants programs to clean up, they should really toss around the Death Penalty around a little more liberally.

Miami coaches and staff knew the booster was hanging around the kids way too much. SMU got the Death Penalty for far less. Had the NCAA been on the ball, they could have handed both schools the DP for a year or two and made arrangements for Miami's and PSU's opponents that would lose out on those games to meet up with each other, with PSU and Miami footing the bill for those programs to do so. And that would be a weekly reminder for a season or 2 for all of the NCAA that its a **** good idea to run a **** clean program instead of trying to keep things covered up.


Not saying that kid rape isn't bad, as I feel as that's a crime where the guilty party should be treated to a short drop with a sudden stop within a month of his conviction. But the Booster paying off a stripper to abort a football players baby, a guy if I remember correctly had a pretty good shot at getting into the NFL, when she could have had him on the hook for child support for 18 years, that's just about as shady and disgusting as what just one kid rape would be. Both programs should have been given a Death Penalty for at least a year by the NCAA, and then the NCAA drags their feet about listening to their appeal until a large number of kids transfer out of both programs until they realize that they would just be better off taking their punishment now instead of trying to be competitive with 2/3rds of their upper classmen gone. Overall in the big picture, that's the way you're going to clean up college football.

The NCAA will never use the death penalty in a major Division I case again. They'd get their asses sued off, and their recent win-loss record in court isn't so shiny these days.
 
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Part of me still thinks PSU would have gotten the death penalty had the findings and sanctions been handed down earlier in the summer. They were released late July, which is only a week before MSU begins to send out season tickets and whatnot, not sure the schedule for other schools.

Obviously there were the emails that said "cooperate or be shut down" but with the money involved these days, I feel like having to change schedules, tickets, travel, and TV at the last minute was not in the best interest of the Big Ten nor PSU's non-con opponents.
 
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Part of me still thinks PSU would have gotten the death penalty had the findings and sanctions been handed down earlier in the summer. They were released late July, which is only a week before MSU begins to send out season tickets and whatnot, not sure the schedule for other schools.

Obviously there were the emails that said "cooperate or be shut down" but with the money involved these days, I feel like having to change schedules, tickets, travel, and TV at the last minute was not in the best interest of the Big Ten nor PSU's non-con opponents.

Which is a **** shame that the Money coming in from a rogue program is worth more than some kid getting violated or some stripper getting paid off to have an abortion. Thought the NCAA was supposed to be all about principles and all of that jazz. :rolleyes:
 
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The NCAA will never use the death penalty in a major Division I case again. They'd get their asses sued off, and their recent win-loss record in court isn't so shiny these days.
They won't use the death penalty again because they've realized it really is the "death" of that college football program. 30 years later and SMU might as well have never restarted their program for all the good its done.
 
They won't use the death penalty again because they've realized it really is the "death" of that college football program. 30 years later and SMU might as well have never restarted their program for all the good its done.

Well, that, too. But they also know that from a practicality standpoint, they probably can't make it stand up in court anymore, either. We're a long way from 1987.
 
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What would SMU have amounted to had they not cheated in the first place? And the death penalty should all but kill a program and used more often. I'm tired of reading of programs like UNC grossly abuse the rules and most likely end up with a slap on the wrist. The Gophers were rightfully punished for Ganglegate, UNC should not get away with doing easily the same if not much worse.
 
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