College Football 2015-16: Bowls, Playoffs, and Offseason

[bronconick]

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Jim Grobe named interim head coach at Baylor

 

[joecct]

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@120Sports: UPDATE: Baylor Director of Athletics Ian McCaw will reportedly resign.
(via @Baylor247) http://twitter.com/120Sports/status/737415820041555969/photo/1

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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Ken Starr resigns due to "matter of conscience."

It took a week to decide a move to the office down the hall wasn't the best plan of action?

 

[alfablue]

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What do you guys think about some of the calls for Baylor to get the death penalty for football?

Seems like all the administrators should go- but once that is done, and a good process is put into place to detect and prevent, then football can keep going....

 

[St. Clown]

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What do you guys think about some of the calls for Baylor to get the death penalty for football?

Seems like all the administrators should go- but once that is done, and a good process is put into place to detect and prevent, then football can keep going....

I'm not calling for the death penalty, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The administrators act on behalf of the administration, so their acts are de facto the school's official actions. Allowing rapists to go unpunished simply because they play for your school is inexcusable. Even if it doesn't get the official death penalty a la SMU, they'll get something worse than PSU received because the NCAA can't be seen as weak on rape twice in a row for big schools.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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What do you guys think about some of the calls for Baylor to get the death penalty for football?

Seems like all the administrators should go- but once that is done, and a good process is put into place to detect and prevent, then football can keep going....

I wanted it for PSU, and this involves the team far more than PSU did, so I'm for it. Either way, I think sooner or later they'll be competing with Kansas for the bottom of the Big XII, just like old times.

 

[alfablue]

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I'm not calling for the death penalty, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. The administrators act on behalf of the administration, so their acts are de facto the school's official actions. Allowing rapists to go unpunished simply because they play for your school is inexcusable. Even if it doesn't get the official death penalty a la SMU, they'll get something worse than PSU received because the NCAA can't be seen as weak on rape twice in a row for big schools.

I wanted it for PSU, and this involves the team far more than PSU did, so I'm for it. Either way, I think sooner or later they'll be competing with Kansas for the bottom of the Big XII, just like old times.

What will be interesting is if anyone covers up criminal cover-ups.

But IF all the administrators get fired (and go to jail, as appropriate) and involved players go to jail- that's not enough? I see your point, but IF enough people get "taken out" it seems like that would be enough.

 

[St. Clown]

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What will be interesting is if anyone covers up criminal cover-ups.

But IF all the administrators get fired (and go to jail, as appropriate) and involved players go to jail- that's not enough? I see your point, but IF enough people get "taken out" it seems like that would be enough.

This moves beyond the criminal aspects when it comes to the NCAA. They let off PSU rather light, in most people's opinions, by not taking them to the point of the death penalty and then they even walked back some of the sanctions they originally put in place. The NCAA will now have to prove to the public that they take rape seriously and lay down the hammer. The NCAA put itself into a PR quagmire that was going to force the next team to get caught with a similar situation to feel the full weight of the NCAA.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I wanted it for PSU, and this involves the team far more than PSU did, so I'm for it. Either way, I think sooner or later they'll be competing with Kansas for the bottom of the Big XII, just like old times.

Agreed.

I remember a number of years ago I asked how Baylor could get this good from being a bottom dweller for a while. On USCHO I was told it was because they were just coming off a scandal where one player murdered another player and that they were just returning to power. I remember laughing my azz off.

This has been a terribly kept secret.

 

[alfablue]

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This moves beyond the criminal aspects when it comes to the NCAA. They let off PSU rather light, in most people's opinions, by not taking them to the point of the death penalty and then they even walked back some of the sanctions they originally put in place. The NCAA will now have to prove to the public that they take rape seriously and lay down the hammer. The NCAA put itself into a PR quagmire that was going to force the next team to get caught with a similar situation to feel the full weight of the NCAA.

I guess my question is- IF people go to jail, is that enough, or should the school still be banned? Not just the offenders, but the illegal coverups. And then the rest of the bad people are forced out.

I agree that this is horrible. Beyond horrible. But at what point does the NCAA just become piling on to a system that already has people going to jail?

I also think that how the NCAA handled PSU, Baylor won't get the death penalty. Moreso when you consider how wins were re-instated and sanctions were lifted early- when the big guy in charge knew about criminal activity.

Still- I do hope that Texas and Waco find the ways to put ALL of the criminals in jail. Including the ones who covered it up. Sickening what people do for a game.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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What will be interesting is if anyone covers up criminal cover-ups.

But IF all the administrators get fired (and go to jail, as appropriate) and involved players go to jail- that's not enough? I see your point, but IF enough people get "taken out" it seems like that would be enough.

Well, here's a fun start to the cover-ups. Ken Starr changes answer three times with help of PR director.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Even if it doesn't get the official death penalty a la SMU, they'll get something worse than PSU received because the NCAA can't be seen as weak on rape twice in a row for big schools.

The difference is that Baylor is new money, Penn State is old money. The NCAA would have loved to give Penn State more than a slap on the wrist, but the truth is, their actual power is kind of limited if someone is willing to put up a real fight against them. The level of fanaticism was so deeply ingrained at Penn State that people were willing to close their eyes, cover their ears, and keeping fighting to the point that it just didn't even become worth it for the NCAA. I don't see that happening at Baylor and they'll probably get hammered for it(and rightfully so).

 

[joecct]

The difference is that Baylor is new money, Penn State is old money. The NCAA would have loved to give Penn State more than a slap on the wrist, but the truth is, their actual power is kind of limited if someone is willing to put up a real fight against them. The level of fanaticism was so deeply ingrained at Penn State that people were willing to close their eyes, cover their ears, and keeping fighting to the point that it just didn't even become worth it for the NCAA. I don't see that happening at Baylor and they'll probably get hammered for it(and rightfully so).

Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

This was my point. 409, brother. At whatever cost, 409.

 

[St. Clown]

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Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

Something in the NCAA's bylaws would have been written that require schools to act with honesty and integrity, or similar wording. Failure on the part of the PSU coaching staff to report Sandusky raping those boys would show a lack of commitment to the bylaws to which PSU would have agreed to support when signing up for the NCAA long ago.

 

[joecct]

Something in the NCAA's bylaws would have been written that require schools to act with honesty and integrity, or similar wording. Failure on the part of the PSU coaching staff to report Sandusky raping those boys would show a lack of commitment to the bylaws to which PSU would have agreed to support when signing up for the NCAA long ago.

That's criminal (and civil). The bylaws deal with recruiting, and eligibility and championships.

If Jerry was embezzling the athletic department to the tune of $100,000 annually and was the behavior was reported to the administration and they did nothing, could the NCAA drop the hammer?

 

[St. Clown]

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That's criminal (and civil). The bylaws deal with recruiting, and eligibility and championships.

If Jerry was embezzling the athletic department to the tune of $100,000 annually and was the behavior was reported to the administration and they did nothing, could the NCAA drop the hammer?

The NCAA is independent of the court system. They're their own entity. It really doesn't matter what ruling a judge or jury would hand down. Once you voluntarily join an organization and sign documents to agree with their rules, you've agreed to their punishments as well. Unless the NCAA acts outside the authority granted to them by the schools, one of which the NCAA has been granted is clearly the "Death Penalty," there's nothing the offending college or university can do.

 

[joecct]

The NCAA is independent of the court system. They're their own entity. It really doesn't matter what ruling a judge or jury would hand down. Once you voluntarily join an organization and sign documents to agree with their rules, you've agreed to their punishments as well. Unless the NCAA acts outside the authority granted to them by the schools, one of which the NCAA has been granted is clearly the "Death Penalty," there's nothing the offending college or university can do.

Ah, the Goodell defense.

 

[St. Clown]

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The bylaws clearly deal with more than just recruiting, eligibility and championships as they also dictate to the schools how much time an athlete can spend in preparation for games. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on them, but the NCAA is such a large organization they're sure to have a large number of CYA rules and regs to encompass events like this.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Ah, the Goodell defense.

Is your angle:

1) Sandusky didn't do anything
2) PSU didn't really do anything
3) The NCAA are big meanies

Seriously?