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College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

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Priceless said:
Has anyone heard that Penn State is unhappy with the Big Ten? The BC fans on my twitter feed seem to be under the delusion that PSU will join the ACC.

That would sure screw up the BTHC :D
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That was a hot rumor over the weekend due to a handful of articles on a Penn State move to the ACC. Word is that a PSU official leaked a statement to a local paper that they were 'very happy' with the BIG.
 
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bronconick said:
Bingo. Figure if all conferences go for 9 games+3 non-conference.

Navy and USC are two of the non-conference games. For now, let's assume Stanford is the 3rd and that they won't be a national power post Andrew Luck. If you rotate them right, Notre Dame has 6 home games in the Midwest, a game in Florida every year between FSU/Miami if they're in the same division, a game in California between USC/Stanford, and an every other year road game with Navy that already moves around the country (and Ireland), and three other games in the Mid-Atlantic/Carolinas.

If they go to the Big Ten, they have 10 or 11 games in the Midwest, one in California, and Navy.
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The only problem I see with this is that the ACC would have to pick between Rutgers or UCONN, or look at going to 18 teams. That's what, 8 conference games within your division, and then one crossover game? That's pretty much just two small leagues that have a playoff game for the BCS bid then.

kingdobbs said:
Maps like this one are always problematic to interpret. There's three basic problems: the maps often do not represent depth of following, only its spread; the maps are not weighted for population; and a dot on the map represents a plurality, not necessarily a majority.

It does seem to show a wider interest than just the Boston area for the Eagles, but how solid is that following "outside of the beltway", so to speak? Is it representative of a true Massachusetts-wide following, or more reflective of another situation, like a generalized apathy for college football (such that one or two fans voting gives BC that region on the map), or since it's only based on I-A football, a variety of competing local interests? If, say, all colleges were on that map, BC probably would not have quite that large spread; local stats for UNH, Maine, and UMass might overwhelm BC (like, I'm sure, pockets of Connecticut and Rhode Island that are currently part of the solid green that UConn occupies might instead fall to URI or Yale).
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True, it does seem to me that it doesn't take into fact that there's plenty of other programs out there that are not D1-A that have decent fan bases in their local areas. Heck, the Ivies aren't represented, there's plenty of D1-AA and D2 HBCU's that have tons of local support that a lot of D1-A programs would love to have. And heck, there's places where a lot of the power teams of D1-AA, D2, D3 and even NAIA where they would at least be a blip on the map there.

Priceless said:
Meanwhile, the president of UConn (who used to be a prof at Georgia Tech) insists they have not applied to the ACC. Strange, since the ACC had at least 8 schools apply after Pitt/Cuse came aboard. I can't imagine UConn wasn't one of those 8.

Meanwhile, the football members of the Big East met in NYC tonight and vowed to get new members and strengthen the conference, but President Herbst was reportedly at a different meeting, getting support for a jump to the ACC. Duke and Maryland support the move, BC is dead set against it.

UConn may not want to admit it, but they're one of the 8, and the odds are high they're already gone. The only thing that could gum up the works is Notre Dame and Texas joining the ACC.

Has anyone heard that Penn State is unhappy with the Big Ten? The BC fans on my twitter feed seem to be under the delusion that PSU will join the ACC.

That would sure screw up the BTHC :D
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Well, if PSU did just go to the ACC, would the Big Ten Schools just opt to keep the WCHA and CCHA as they were?? And if so, how soon do you think that UAH would get a call to have them invited into the CCHA???
 
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There is no way Penn State leaves the B10 for the ACC. Any speculation of that is insane. Penn State is a pubic university and during this time of economic hardship could not justify leaving the B10 for less money. Furthermore they would not want to leave research agreement the B10 has.
 
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I think the Penn State thing is garbled transmissions. I think I heard it more along the lines that if they were an independent now, they would opt for the ACC over the current Big Ten because the ACC has essentially become that east coast all-sports league that Penn State had pushed for all through the 80's but couldn't get Pitt/Syracuse/etc. to leave the basketball schools in the Big East. They've got something like 25 kids from the mid-atlantic states on scholarship, so they already tend to go that way instead of the upper midwest.

It'd be insanity to actually leave now, though.
 
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CHFAN222 said:
There is no way Penn State leaves the B10 for the ACC. Any speculation of that is insane. Penn State is a pubic university and during this time of economic hardship could not justify leaving the B10 for less money. Furthermore they would not want to leave research agreement the B10 has.
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What if we took up a collection from the other hockey schools for PSU to jump to the ACC so that it would kill off the BTHC for a while??? ;) I'm sure there's a few schools out west that wouldn't mind chipping in a few bucks for the status quo to be the status quo.
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I know one guy who isn't happy about Cuse leaving.

Boeheim upset at move to ACC
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He was on PTI yesterday and was singing a different tune. He's not happy about losing rivalries but he plans to still play teams like Villanova and Georgetown in NC games and is thrilled to be playing Duke and Carolina every season. He also said the Big East was supposed to die in 2004 and it survived, and he thinks it will survive now. He said this isn't the same conference Syracuse founded; it has evolved and will continue changing after they leave.

If the B1G and PAC are done expanding, it does leave some hope for the Big East. Oklahoma, OSU and Mizzou can go to the SEC (16) and UConn and on other BE team (Rutgers?) can go to the ACC. The leftovers from the Big East and Big XII (minus Texas which goes Independent) can form a new league. That gets them to 10/18 so they need 2 more to get to 12/20. While this would be a great chance to get Boise State into a BCS conference, I doubt it would happen. That means they would invite two teams. Probably Houston and UCF.
 
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Bob Gray said:
So, here's a monkey wrench in the talk of superconferences. The Pac-12 says no to expansion. Good for them! So those Texas and Oklahoma schools will have to rethink their options. Maybe the Big 12 lives to see another day.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AvmQtH1Udh_gHcIHVf8p_agcvrYF?slug=ap-conferencerealignment
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That is unless the SEC grabs the Oklahoma schools. Then its either Mizzou or Texas Tech. I would kinda think the SEC would lean towards Missouri, and I don't think the Red Raiders have enough political capitial right now to force Texas A&M into making them a packaged deal. They were just kind of a throw in anyways for those moving to the PAC to balance out Texas anyways.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
That is unless the SEC grabs the Oklahoma schools. Then its either Mizzou or Texas Tech. I would kinda think the SEC would lean towards Missouri, and I don't think the Red Raiders have enough political capitial right now to force Texas A&M into making them a packaged deal. They were just kind of a throw in anyways for those moving to the PAC to balance out Texas anyways.
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I doubt the SEC would grab the Oklahoma schools, as you'd make the SEC pretty lopsided with the need to shift a team or teams to the eastern division, something they probably wouldn't like doing. It's certainly possible, but I'm skeptical. Of course that'd put Texas in an interesting spot, having their Texas rival and two main competitors in Oklahoma all in the SEC. But, it's certainly possible we'll end up with some 16 team superconferences, and some conferences that remain at 12 teams.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
That is unless the SEC grabs the Oklahoma schools. Then its either Mizzou or Texas Tech. I would kinda think the SEC would lean towards Missouri, and I don't think the Red Raiders have enough political capitial right now to force Texas A&M into making them a packaged deal. They were just kind of a throw in anyways for those moving to the PAC to balance out Texas anyways.
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Texas is either going to be in the Big XII-2-1-? or they're going to be Independent. None of the conferences want anything to do with that Longhorn Network.

If Delaney decides he wants to expand, Oklahoma is a tempting target, but Oklahoma State presents a small problem for the Academics at the B1G. I think the Integer stays at 12 teams, with expansion in the ACC and SEC.

The Big XII-? could still exist independent of the Big East if OU/OSU/Mizzou stay. They could even expand the conference (think Boise might welcome an invite?).
 
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Priceless said:
Texas is either going to be in the Big XII-2-1-? or they're going to be Independent. None of the conferences want anything to do with that Longhorn Network.

If Delaney decides he wants to expand, Oklahoma is a tempting target, but Oklahoma State presents a small problem for the Academics at the B1G. I think the Integer stays at 12 teams, with expansion in the ACC and SEC.

The Big XII-? could still exist independent of the Big East if OU/OSU/Mizzou stay. They could even expand the conference (think Boise might welcome an invite?).
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The hot buzz for awhile was Texas and Notre Dame to the Big ten. That has cooled substantially as nobody thinks ND was very serious...and Texas loves its network. For some reason, Texas wants nothing to do with the SEC (probably the network again and TX doesn't respect the academics of the SEC).

Oklahoma to the Big ten will in all probability never happen. Rumor has it they approached the Big ten about a week ago not once but twice and was told no both times (this without OSU). IMO OK should look to the SEC in which case it would have to throw OSU to the wolves.
 
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Bob Gray said:
So, here's a monkey wrench in the talk of superconferences. The Pac-12 says no to expansion. Good for them! So those Texas and Oklahoma schools will have to rethink their options. Maybe the Big 12 lives to see another day.
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Good news all around.

I'd think there has to be one more move though, SEC at 13 (assuming A&M is a done deal) needs to add 1 more. (presuming there is no way they will subtract). West Virginia was ideal in every way except the only one that mattered, apparently.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I doubt the SEC would grab the Oklahoma schools, as you'd make the SEC pretty lopsided with the need to shift a team or teams to the eastern division, something they probably wouldn't like doing.
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Auburn's already said they're willing to go East.
 
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kingdobbs said:
Auburn's already said they're willing to go East.
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Really? Well, that's interesting. Would Bama go with them to the east would be the obvious next question if some Big 12 teams ended up in the SEC.
 
Kepler said:
Good news all around.

I'd think there has to be one more move though, SEC at 13 (assuming A&M is a done deal) needs to add 1 more. (presuming there is no way they will subtract). West Virginia was ideal in every way except the only one that mattered, apparently.
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The local paper said Missouri was Has received an informal invite to the SEC
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
That might not be as big a deal as you think. They did let Nebraska in.
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Nebraska and Oklahoma are tied at #101; Oklahoma State is #132 according to the US News & World Report.
 
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