College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

I keep getting mixed up on that time table. You would think that Nebraska was on some sort of probation before they were dropped.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

When Nebraska was accepted they were still part of the AAU I thought.

That's my recollection.

 

[bigmrg74]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

The hot buzz for awhile was Texas and Notre Dame to the Big ten. That has cooled substantially as nobody thinks ND was very serious...and Texas loves its network. For some reason, Texas wants nothing to do with the SEC (probably the network again and TX doesn't respect the academics of the SEC).

Oklahoma to the Big ten will in all probability never happen. Rumor has it they approached the Big ten about a week ago not once but twice and was told no both times (this without OSU). IMO OK should look to the SEC in which case it would have to throw OSU to the wolves.

I doubt Oklahoma could get away with splitting with Okie State. Not even looking at T. Boone Pickens and the water he draws in Oklahoma, I would wager that there's enough support with the State legislature from OSU supporters that would block most any move by the Sooners if it doesn't include the Pokes as well. Pickens just means that if there's any effort made to keep OSU from being left behind, it will keep going.

 

[Priceless]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Fans at UConn sure want to go to the ACC

Yo ACC *****es. Congratulations! You have successfully taken all the teams we hate the most and formed some sort of Anti-UConn Legion of ******. And while we’d love nothing more than to fart on all y’all faces, we really don’t have a choice but to kiss your *** and ask to be part of your stupid conference.

Now we really shouldn’t have to get on our knees and beg here, even though I know the thought of that is giving Coach K and Jim Boeheim simultaneous boners right now. You just let Pitt and Syracuse in, which in swag terms, is like letting Fat Joe and Paul Wall (respectively) into your 50/50 club. We’re at least Rick Ross (Arggggggghhhaaa) in this analogy.

So you want to improve the quality of football in the ACC? Then why not let in the defending Tostidos Fiesta Bowl runner-ups? And have you seen Johnny Mac’s trick shot video? It’s right up there with guy getting hit by ice cream truck. Plus it’d be great to show Randy "Billy Zane’s character from Titanic" Edsall that revenge is a dish best served cold, and we’re about to give him a whole motherfudging bowl of gazpacho.

What’s that? THIS season? Has that started already? We were too busy recruiting Andre "hide yo’ point guards, hide yo’ centers, and hide your small forwards cuz he rapin’ errryyybudddyyy out here" Drummond for our National Title defense to notice.

Oh yeah, maybe you saw our little run last March? You know, when Duke and UNC and all your other golden boys were ****ting the bed…remember that? If your secret agenda here (and we can only assume this is the case) is to create a basketball conference that is equivalent to a Dick Vitale wet dream, you absolutely need our service.

And, not that you care, but we also pretty much own women’s college basketball. And soon Pat Summit isn’t going to know the difference between a full-court press and a panini press, at which time the NCAA will just give us the trophy at the start of every season, and save everyone the trouble of having to sit through five months of women’s basketball. Zing.

So, in closing, as much as we’d like to go all Braveheart on your ***, we’ve seen the movie and Mel Gibson gets beheaded at the end. Let’s get this cluster**** going and I can promise we’ll make some average-looking football babies, but a whole bunch of sexy-as-**** basketball babies.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Really? Well, that's interesting. Would Bama go with them to the east would be the obvious next question if some Big 12 teams ended up in the SEC.

I'm sure 'Bama wouldn't mind playing Tennessee on a yearly basis again, and Auburn has intimated they miss playing Georgia, Tennessee and Florida every year (the first two being two long-standing rivalries even before the SEC). Either way the Iron Bowl is gonna be preserved, and if the SEC ends up taking three more teams from the Big Less Than Twelve, then geographically there's really no better option.

 

[Priceless]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

SEC East
Florida
S Carolina
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn

SEC West
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Miss St
Texas A&M
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Play each team in your division once, crossover once, four <del>cupcakes</del> non-conference opponents.

 

[Alton]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Play each team in your division once, crossover once, four <del>cupcakes</del> non-conference opponents.

Yeah, this is what I don't get about mega-conferences. So Florida hosts LSU once every 16 years? And Mississippi hosts Auburn once every 16 years? How is that anything at all like a real conference? If the SEC does this, Alabama will end up playing Arkansas State more often than they play Arkansas.

Note that colleges have tried 16-team conferences in the past, and they have all dissolved rather quickly. I would think that the same thing will happen here that happened to the WAC when they had 16 teams--the 8 or so most powerful teams will get together and form a new league, leaving the other 8 behind.

 

[Priceless]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Yeah, this is what I don't get about mega-conferences. So Florida hosts LSU once every 16 years? And Mississippi hosts Auburn once every 16 years? How is that anything at all like a real conference? If the SEC does this, Alabama will end up playing Arkansas State more often than they play Arkansas.

Note that colleges have tried 16-team conferences in the past, and they have all dissolved rather quickly. I would think that the same thing will happen here that happened to the WAC when they had 16 teams--the 8 or so most powerful teams will get together and form a new league, leaving the other 8 behind.

Fortunately, every one of those schools can turn to their state legislature for a lesson on seceding.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

I'm sure 'Bama wouldn't mind playing Tennessee on a yearly basis again, and Auburn has intimated they miss playing Georgia, Tennessee and Florida every year (the first two being two long-standing rivalries even before the SEC). Either way the Iron Bowl is gonna be preserved, and if the SEC ends up taking three more teams from the Big Less Than Twelve, then geographically there's really no better option.

Fair enough. I guess then it might be the Mississippi schools and LSU that aren't so happy, as they'd have fewer of their longtime SEC rivals in the western division, a little like the Pac eastern division would have been for the Arizona schools if the Big 12 contingent had moved into the neighborhood. But, Arkansas might be happy hooking back up with some of the schools west of them including old SWC foes.

 

[Priceless]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Fair enough. I guess then it might be the Mississippi schools and LSU that aren't so happy, as they'd have fewer of their longtime SEC rivals in the western division, a little like the Pac eastern division would have been for the Arizona schools if the Big 12 contingent had moved into the neighborhood. But, Arkansas might be happy hooking back up with some of the schools west of them including old SWC foes.

We can break it up in other ways. One example might be:

Masters
#1 Oklahoma
#2 LSU
#3 Alabama
#7 Oklahoma State
#8 Texas A&M
#12 South Carolina
#14 Arkansas
#15 Florida

Slaves
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Miss State
Ole Miss
Missouri

We could add promotion/relegation to the mix; the worst team in the Top division goes down and the best team in the bottom division goes up. That way if, for example, Tennessee is ever good again and Alabama goes on probation again they could swap places.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

We can break it up in other ways. One example might be:

Masters
#1 Oklahoma
#2 LSU
#3 Alabama
#7 Oklahoma State
#8 Texas A&M
#12 South Carolina
#14 Arkansas
#15 Florida

Slaves
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Miss State
Ole Miss
Missouri

We could add promotion/relegation to the mix; the worst team in the Top division goes down and the best team in the bottom division goes up. That way if, for example, Tennessee is ever good again and Alabama goes on probation again they could swap places.

You spelled "Massas" wrong.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Fair enough. I guess then it might be the Mississippi schools and LSU that aren't so happy, as they'd have fewer of their longtime SEC rivals in the western division, a little like the Pac eastern division would have been for the Arizona schools if the Big 12 contingent had moved into the neighborhood. But, Arkansas might be happy hooking back up with some of the schools west of them including old SWC foes.

As it turns out, LSU and Mississippi wouldn't be losing much in the way of rivalry by losing those two. Prior to the 12 team expansion in 1991, neither team had played Alabama or Auburn more than 20 times in the prior 68 years; that's basically once every four years. Alabama and LSU played each other about 40 times; even then, that's no more than 2 games every three. MSU has played both Alabama and Auburn close to 70 times each (or about 55 pre-expansion), so that's a little bit of long-term rivalry down.

In terms of the teams that they've actually played a lot, UM-MSU-LSU is a neat little triad.

Yeah, this is what I don't get about mega-conferences. So Florida hosts LSU once every 16 years? And Mississippi hosts Auburn once every 16 years? How is that anything at all like a real conference? If the SEC does this, Alabama will end up playing Arkansas State more often than they play Arkansas.

Auburn and Mississippi played in the last year the two teams spent in the SoCon, before moving to the SEC for the 1933 season. They did not play each other again until 1949.

 

[UCBadger]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

We could add promotion/relegation to the mix; the worst team in the Top division goes down and the best team in the bottom division goes up. That way if, for example, Tennessee is ever good again and Alabama goes on probation again they could swap places.

That is exactly how how a Ladder works in curling! (Say, 4 leagues of 8 teams each, let's call them A, B, C, D. A new skip starts their team in the D league. If they are in the top 2 teams in their league at the end of the season, they move up to the C league the next season. The lowest 2 teams in C move down to D--and the top two teams move up to the B league--and so it goes.)

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

We can break it up in other ways. One example might be:

Masters
#1 Oklahoma
#2 LSU
#3 Alabama
#7 Oklahoma State
#8 Texas A&M
#12 South Carolina
#14 Arkansas
#15 Florida

Slaves
Auburn
Tennessee
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Miss State
Ole Miss
Missouri

We could add promotion/relegation to the mix; the worst team in the Top division goes down and the best team in the bottom division goes up. That way if, for example, Tennessee is ever good again and Alabama goes on probation again they could swap places.

Mujst spread rep

 

[bronconick]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Now that I've thought about it a bit, Notre Dame saying they'd choose the ACC is an act of genius.

A. Notre Dame isn't going to choose a conference unless the reality of 4x16 with conference champions in a 4 team tournament occurs.

2. The ACC was considering grabbing UConn and Rutgers to finish off the Big East and guarantee themselves a seat at the table as the "East Coast Super Conference" if it reached 4x16

D. That talk died when Notre Dame says "If we *have* to go somewhere, we'd go to the ACC for all sports.

Zeta. Because of that, it's very likely that both the Big Ten and ACC never move past 14 teams because they hope to nab Notre Dame. This stops 4x16 in its tracks until one of those two conferences decides to hell with Notre Dame. What two teams are worth giving up a shot at the Irish?

As long as the Irish have options, they're going to sit on the fence, and that leprechaun has such a big bag of gold that no one wants to push him since he'll end up on the other side.

This is all meaningless if they decide next week to join the Big Ten for hockey and then everything else, which would likely get their current President and AD fired, IMO.

 

[Kepler]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

As long as the Irish have options, they're going to sit on the fence, and that leprechaun has such a big bag of gold that no one wants to push him since he'll end up on the other side.

The flip side is, if ND does join one side, the other side will have no incentive to continue cooperating. So ND is like a single billionaire in a sea of lovely single women: he has all the power as long as he never uses it.

 

[bronconick]

Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

The flip side is, if ND does join one side, the other side will have no incentive to continue cooperating. So ND is like a single billionaire in a sea of lovely single women: he has all the power as long as he never uses it.

True. Some of the local talk radio callers yesterday were suggesting/demanding the BT stop scheduling Notre Dame until they join. I laughed. Sure, Michigan can get solid home and home games with assorted teams around the country that are just as much of a name as "Notre Dame" like OSU-Texas/USC and Penn State/Alabama have done.

But Michigan State last year and Purdue this year for example are getting ABC 8pm games because they're hosting the Irish. Who are they going to get for a home and home that brings that kind of notoriety? In those relationships, Purdue and MSU are getting more out of the series than ND is. No one's watching Purdue-Georgia or Michigan State-Oklahoma State on ABC.

 

[CHFAN222]

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http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/blogs/dog-house/130345208.html

Supposedly the ACC wants UCONN. The first option is to get ND and UCONN to join together. If that doesn't happens it hints at another school going with UCONN probably going to be Rutgers.

 

[Craig P.]

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The flip side is, if ND does join one side, the other side will have no incentive to continue cooperating. So ND is like a single billionaire in a sea of lovely single women: he has all the power as long as he never uses it.

But at that point, ND no longer cares because we have already cast our lot in on the conference side.

The beauty of our position is that if the Integer and ACC are both more interested in having us than in having 16 teams just to have 16 teams, our power will remain to be exercised at the appropriate time and not before.

I think that's the only thing really in question.

It looks obvious to me that the Integer really is committed to moving deliberately and making sure that any new additions are a net positive. On the one hand, that makes it unlikely that ND would be able to enter entirely on our own terms, but on the other hand, it also means that we would have to see a serious diminution of our value to lose the option.

Now, the ACC... they're not looking particularly deliberate. I think their initial moves were a combination of panic at the possibility of being outflanked by the Big East and raided by the SEC, and calculation by the basketball side out of some envy over being usurped as the foremost basketball conference by the Big East. I suspect that right now, they may be willing to take a less preferred member just to get over their contractual threshold for renegotiating their rights fees.

 

[CHFAN222]

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I am not quite sure if ESPN wants or does not want this super conference stuff to happen.

On one hand they get to cover stories about this expansion stuff and debate about it.

The big problem for ESPN though is they will have less parties to negotiate with though. It's going to be a pain for them if each of the super conferences demands higher payouts because there is less competition.