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College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

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Craig P. said:
Joining the Integer would turn ND into a regional school. Joining the ACC would preserve the current national reach.
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Good point. Maybe a big part of this is ND trying to keep their uniqueness, and if they are part of a conference with teams all around them, they just become another team in the conference, albeit a team that would still have a big fan base, etc. In some ways I think Penn State lost a little uniqueness when they went from being independent to joining the Big Ten. But I think ND's uniqueness is a much bigger deal to them than it was to Penn State.

Agreed Handy. While this is entertaining to watch, there's a feel that something to do with college football is dying. It has been gradually for awhile, but this will be another big step in the wrong direction. While I still am a sports fan, I'm kind of glad I'm not nearly as into it as I used to be. The sports world is becoming uglier, more grossly just about money, and less about fans by the year.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
It's come to the point where I'm reminded of all the analysis on the night of Presidental elections.

"If Schmuck wins X and Y, and Dickhead only wins Z, then Schmuck is our next President. However, if Dickhead wins Y and Z and Schmuck wins X, then we'll have to wait for the results from V and W before making a firm prediction, and the race in W is still too close to call right now."
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Is Notre Dame the ******** or the Schmuck?
 
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Bob Gray said:
Agreed Handy. While this is entertaining to watch, there's a feel that something to do with college football is dying. It has been gradually for awhile, but this will be another big step in the wrong direction. While I still am a sports fan, I'm kind of glad I'm not nearly as into it as I used to be. The sports world is becoming uglier, more grossly just about money, and less about fans by the year.
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Yeah...it is too bad but it is what it is. It used to be I watched all the NFL games I could, now I barely watch one. (the Vikes) I was hoping college football would keep at least of its awesomeness (the rivalries, the tradition) but superconferences will kill all that. Apparently most fans dont care about that though (the amount of money this is going to make the schools is ridiculous) so all the better for them I guess. I will watch the Gophs and ignore everything else since there is no value in it anymore.

16 team conferences when you have 8-9 conference games...sounds like a plan college hockey conferences would be excited about. Anyone who took math 101 though has got to be scratching their head...
 
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Handyman said:
16 team conferences when you have 8-9 conference games...sounds like a plan college hockey conferences would be excited about. Anyone who took math 101 though has got to be scratching their head...
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And all of these plans are coming from some of the most prestigious Universities in the country (and the SEC). Makes one wonder
 
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Craig P. said:
Joining the Integer would turn ND into a regional school. Joining the ACC would preserve the current national reach.
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Bingo. Figure if all conferences go for 9 games+3 non-conference.

Navy and USC are two of the non-conference games. For now, let's assume Stanford is the 3rd and that they won't be a national power post Andrew Luck. If you rotate them right, Notre Dame has 6 home games in the Midwest, a game in Florida every year between FSU/Miami if they're in the same division, a game in California between USC/Stanford, and an every other year road game with Navy that already moves around the country (and Ireland), and three other games in the Mid-Atlantic/Carolinas.

If they go to the Big Ten, they have 10 or 11 games in the Midwest, one in California, and Navy.
 
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Bob Gray said:
While this is entertaining to watch, there's a feel that something to do with college football is dying. It has been gradually for awhile, but this will be another big step in the wrong direction. While I still am a sports fan, I'm kind of glad I'm not nearly as into it as I used to be. The sports world is becoming uglier, more grossly just about money, and less about fans by the year.
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I agree, sadly. This has been coming for a long time -- at least since 1978 (the division into 1-A and 1-AA) and you could probably date it to some other arbitrary "Point of No Return" (1998 -- creation of the BCS; 1984 -- NCAA loses control of television scheduling; 1972 -- freshmen became eligible to play, etc).

Many (most?) football players have not been "student-athletes" in any meaningful way at many (most?) BCS conference schools for generations, of course. "Horse Feathers" is a Marx Brothers parody of the prevalence of professionalism and cheating in college football, and that was made in 1932.
 
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bronconick said:
Bingo. Figure if all conferences go for 9 games+3 non-conference.

Navy and USC are two of the non-conference games. For now, let's assume Stanford is the 3rd and that they won't be a national power post Andrew Luck. If you rotate them right, Notre Dame has 6 home games in the Midwest, a game in Florida every year between FSU/Miami if they're in the same division, a game in California between USC/Stanford, and an every other year road game with Navy that already moves around the country (and Ireland), and three other games in the Mid-Atlantic/Carolinas.

If they go to the Big Ten, they have 10 or 11 games in the Midwest, one in California, and Navy.
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Id say that they would play Michigan over Stanford.
 
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Kepler said:
This has been coming for a long time, though -- at least since 1978 (the division into 1-A and 1-AA) and you could probably date it to some other arbitrary "Point of No Return" (1998 -- creation of the BCS; 1984 -- NCAA loses control of television scheduling; 1972 -- freshmen became eligible to play, etc).

Many (most?) football players have not been "student-athletes" in any meaningful way at many (most?) BCS conference schools for many decades, of course. "Horse Feathers" is a Marx Brothers parody of the prevalence of professionalism and cheating in college football, and that was made in 1932.
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Agreed. But I'd say this is another big milestone. At least before they seemed to care about regional rivalries and such to some extent. That's all out the window. My ASU team will likely be stuck in a division with a bunch of central time zone teams that we have absolutely no history with. It's over 1000 miles between Phoenix and Austin. What an awful division setup if it comes to pass.
 
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NMU8405 said:
Id say that they would play Michigan over Stanford.
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There's no guarantee that series extends past 2016 or whenever the Big Ten goes to a 9 game schedule even with ND as an independent. Michigan at the least has already made it known it wants ND in Ann Arbor in the years that they are schedule 5 road Big Ten games. That could/will interfere with how Notre Dame has it now, where they have either USC or Michigan as a home game yearly.

Given Brandon's talk already, it's possible they drop the series anyway and go with three creampuffs yearly to get 7/8 home games of 115,000. Sure, the fans and boosters could get on his case for that, but this is a man who decided to put Appy State back on the schedule.
 
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Notre Dame is going to keep Michigan and USC on their schedule at pretty much all costs. Those are longstanding traditions with perennial top echelon football powers. And neither of those schools is going to argue about it, with all the money they bring in. The biggest risk of a loss of a traditional rival is Navy. It seems unthinkable, but it happened to Army and Northwestern. BC and Stanford are nice niche opponents but they are probably expendable. They have only been on the schedule regularly for about 20 years, which is a blink of an eye. Pitt, Michigan State and Purdue are all much longer-term rivalries.
 
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5mn_Major said:
One of the best sports articles on college sports I've seen. It may not be 100% scientific...but with the author being statistician expert Nate Silver, its probably close.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/
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Saw that yesterday.

Silver's methodology on that sucks. Obvious mistakes: Georgia Tech does not have 500,000 more fans than Georgia and 400,000 more than USC. Boston College does not have more football fans than Florida State, Duke does not have more football fans than NC State, Clemson doesn't have nearly double the fanbase of South Carolina, Auburn doesn't have more than Alabama.

Worthless.
 
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Kepler said:
Notre Dame is going to keep Michigan and USC on their schedule at pretty much all costs. Those are longstanding traditions with perennial top echelon football powers. And neither of those schools is going to argue about it, with all the money they bring in. The biggest risk of a loss of a traditional rival is Navy. It seems unthinkable, but it happened to Army. BC and Stanford are nice niche opponents but they are probably expendable. They have only been on the schedule regularly for about 20 years, which is a blink of an eye. Pitt, Michigan State and Purdue are all much longer-term rivalries.
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Neither Michigan or USC kept Notre Dame from closing in WWII. Navy's there as long as they want to be.
 
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bronconick said:
Neither Michigan or USC kept Notre Dame from closing in WWII. Navy's there as long as they want to be.
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One would hope so. But the dollar's song is insistent and it has soothed many consciences.
 
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bronconick said:
Saw that yesterday.

Silver's methodology on that sucks. Obvious mistakes: Georgia Tech does not have 500,000 more fans than Georgia and 400,000 more than USC. Boston College does not have more football fans than Florida State, Duke does not have more football fans than NC State, Clemson doesn't have nearly double the fanbase of South Carolina, Auburn doesn't have more than Alabama.

Worthless.
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I'm not so sure about all that. I could see BC having a huge following...Boston is a rather big metro area (especially considering its the leading college program in New England) and many universities that could funnel interest towards BC. And I could see Clemson doubling up SC...but that's me. Its all opinion, but directionally much of its on target.
 
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West Virginia has been denied by both the SEC and ACC.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I'm not so sure about all that. I could see BC having a huge following...Boston is a rather big metro area (especially considering its the leading college program in New England) and many universities that could funnel interest towards BC. And I could see Clemson doubling up SC...but that's me. Its all opinion, but directionally much of its on target.
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BC average attendance last year: 38,369.

There are some atrocious things being done to the word "huge" on this thread.
 
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