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College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

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Kepler said:
I can't see this ever happening. Notre Dame's psyche depends on being an independent as much Cornell's does in being Ivy League. Either it's not about finance or (more likely) it's about finance at a level so high it makes all of intercollegiate sports look like penny ante poker.
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Again though, if superconferences come, they absolutely have to find a conference to shack up with for their non-football sports. I think that's going to be pretty tough to do.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Does that include Big Ten Network revenue?
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Yes.

The ACC's new deal does not expire until 2023. The bigger of the Big 12's two deals ($90 million with Fox) will run through the 2025 season, and their $40 million deal with ABC/ESPN expires in 2016. The SEC's two deals ($150M/year with ESPN and $55M per year with CBS) expire in 2025. The Big Ten has a deal with ABC/ESPN that expires in 2018. The rest of their TV revenue comes from the Big Ten Network, 51 percent of which is owned by the conference.
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WeWantMore said:
Again though, if superconferences come, they absolutely have to find a conference to shack up with for their non-football sports. I think that's going to be pretty tough to do.
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That's what I'm thinking. The larger conferences will tell them to pound sand if they want to just add their non-football sports.
 
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The SEC expansion *should* be based on improving their national brand, since they have no SEC network available or planned. CBS and ESPN are available everywhere, thus markets don't really matter. I seriously doubt Texas A&M and West Virginia/Missouri improve this enough to close their gap on the PAC-12's new deal. I don't see either network shelling out a significantly larger amount because Missouri-LSU and West Virginia-Florida are now available, and those are two of the better theoretical matchups.

The PAC-12 has to be proactive if the Big 12 looks like it's failing because if Texas/Oklahoma/etc. go elsewhere, there's a whole lot of nothing available for expansion in the western half of the country.

"National" brands not in the SEC/Big Ten/PAC-12

Texas
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
(Nebraska was right about here)
------------> Probably a small gap here.
Florida State
Miami (despite probable penalties)
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Virginia Tech

That's really about it.

Hell, you could argue right now that TCU and Boise State are more interesting than most teams, though a lot of that is tied into the fact that they haven't been in BCS conferences and the interest will die down after 5 years.
 
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What do you mean no SEC network available or planned? The SEC network already exists, it just isn't nationally available.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
What do you mean no SEC network available or planned? The SEC network already exists, it just isn't nationally available.
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It's syndicated. By that logic, almost every conference has a network.
 
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bronconick said:
"National" brands not in the SEC/Big Ten/PAC-12

Texas
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
(Nebraska was right about here)
------------> Probably a small gap here.
Florida State
Miami (despite probable penalties)
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Virginia Tech
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Oklahoma is below the fold on that list. Duke (retch) and UNC are obviously up high for hoops, as is Kansas on a good day. Although Va Tech isn't national, it does bring an otherwise untapped market.
 
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I do think ND would join a Catholic League for the small basketball only schools. It was prophesized years ago when the ACC scalped Miami, BC and Va Tech.
 
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bronconick said:
"National" brands not in the SEC/Big Ten/PAC-12

Texas
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
(Nebraska was right about here)
------------> Probably a small gap here.
Florida State
Miami (despite probable penalties)
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Virginia Tech

That's really about it.

Hell, you could argue right now that TCU and Boise State are more interesting than most teams, though a lot of that is tied into the fact that they haven't been in BCS conferences and the interest will die down after 5 years.
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What about Denver and North Dakota? ;)
 
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MountieBoyOz said:
I do think ND would join a Catholic League for the small basketball only schools. It was prophesized years ago when the ACC scalped Miami, BC and Va Tech.
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Notre Dame
Providence
St. Joseph's
Creighton
Fordham
Georgetown
BC
Gonzaga
Loyola Marymount
Sacred Heart
Tulane
Duquesne
Marquette
DePaul
Villanova
St. John's


Good market coverage. I like it. :)

(Edited from Oz's suggestion!)
 
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Kepler said:
Note Dame
Providence
St. Joseph's
Creighton
Fordham
Georgetown
BC
Gonzaga
Loyola Marymount
Sacred Heart

Good market coverage. I like it. :)
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If the Big East explodes, you could add Marquette, DePaul, Villanova and St. John's
 
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bronconick said:
The SEC expansion *should* be based on improving their national brand, since they have no SEC network available or planned. CBS and ESPN are available everywhere, thus markets don't really matter. I seriously doubt Texas A&M and West Virginia/Missouri improve this enough to close their gap on the PAC-12's new deal. I don't see either network shelling out a significantly larger amount because Missouri-LSU and West Virginia-Florida are now available, and those are two of the better theoretical matchups.

The PAC-12 has to be proactive if the Big 12 looks like it's failing because if Texas/Oklahoma/etc. go elsewhere, there's a whole lot of nothing available for expansion in the western half of the country.

"National" brands not in the SEC/Big Ten/PAC-12

Texas
Oklahoma
Notre Dame
(Nebraska was right about here)
------------> Probably a small gap here.
Florida State
Miami (despite probable penalties)
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Virginia Tech

That's really about it.

Hell, you could argue right now that TCU and Boise State are more interesting than most teams, though a lot of that is tied into the fact that they haven't been in BCS conferences and the interest will die down after 5 years.
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Rumor has it that West Virginia seems to be winning the SEC race to 14. Just makes me think that the SEC's move is to go to 16, with an eye towards grabbing schools in North Carolina. At least that's probably on the SEC wish list. With UNC, NC St, and Duke all there, you would think that there would be likely enough political willpower behind whatever school that would get left behind, likely Duke, that would make it hard for the SEC to pull in say UNC.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Rumor has it that West Virginia seems to be winning the SEC race to 14. Just makes me think that the SEC's move is to go to 16, with an eye towards grabbing schools in North Carolina. At least that's probably on the SEC wish list. With UNC, NC St, and Duke all there, you would think that there would be likely enough political willpower behind whatever school that would get left behind, likely Duke, that would make it hard for the SEC to pull in say UNC.
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Whither UNC there goeth NC State -- that's just the politics of it. In fact, East Carolina might have to go, too -- NC state politics tries (unsuccessfully) to equate them at every turn.

West Virginia is a *perfect* match for the SEC, in so many ways. :)
 
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The member presidents of the Southeastern Conference unanimously voted to accept Texas A&M Tuesday night as the league's 13th member, but the Aggies' official acceptance has been delayed by the potential threat of legal action.

The SEC's presidents want assurances that no individual Big 12 school will sue for contractual interference over Texas A&M's departure. Baylor has not given that assurance to this point, according to sources.

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action," University of Florida president and SEC chairman Dr. Bernie Machen said in a statement released Wednesday. "The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. "

The SEC received written assurance from the Big 12 on Sept. 2 that it was free to accept Texas A&M as a member, Machen said.

The Big 12 scheduled a conference call of officials at all ten member schools for Wednesday afternoon, sources said.
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My Twitter feed is on fire that the school in question is Baylor (and that they are thinking about suing)
 
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Kepler said:
Whither UNC there goeth NC State -- that's just the politics of it. In fact, East Carolina might have to go, too -- NC state politics tries (unsuccessfully) to equate them at every turn.

West Virginia is a *perfect* match for the SEC, in so many ways. :)
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North Carolina's recent dive into the more sordid side of football and getting nailed while firing their coach at the last minute might scare them off of joining the SEC.
 
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bronconick said:
North Carolina's recent dive into the more sordid side of football and getting nailed while firing their coach at the last minute might scare them off of joining the SEC.
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That would make them a better fit for the SEC ;)

But yeah, North Carolina prefers the legacy of Dean Smith and Roy Williams than Butch Davis. Then again, they hired him to begin...
 
Re: College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

Kepler said:
Whither UNC there goeth NC State -- that's just the politics of it. In fact, East Carolina might have to go, too -- NC state politics tries (unsuccessfully) to equate them at every turn.

West Virginia is a *perfect* match for the SEC, in so many ways. :)
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Yeah, I could see the SEC trying to get NCST and UNC, but its just going to be problematic short of them ramming thru under the nose of the Duke Boys.

And heck, how about the rivalry potential WVU has with the SEC?? I don't think the SEC is all that big on traveling trophies, but something about the Hatfields and McCoy's would work for WVU and Kentucky. That feud was all over the Tug River Valley, which forms most of the border between Kentucky and WV. WVU's mountain man is Danial Boone, Tennessee has Davey Crockett, that has a lot of potential. And heck, who wouldn't have fun trying to spot the top 25 hillbillies in the crowd between Arkansas and WVU??
 
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One of my favorite moments listening to the Paul Finebaum show was when a bunch of his Alabama listeners went on a road trip to watch WVU. Their response was basically -- "Wow. Now these are hicks."
 
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