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College Football 2011: Enough of realignment and scandals. Gimme Footbaw!

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Priceless said:
Don't know if we already knew this, but Gameday will be at Michigan this week.
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'tis the first real night game at the Big House. I suspect we will see it for miles (and I'm glad my BR isn't on that side of the house).
 
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Priceless said:
There is talk that there will be only three "super conferences" - the SEC would pick and choose the ACC teams they wanted and everyone else would either hope to get into the Integer (Duke/NC/VA) or go to the Big East (which will no longer be a super conference). I think the leagues would get way, way too big at only three conferences.

Mark Cuban says the Big XII-3 should stay together and wait until schools start to see the light and try to get back into smaller conferences.
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IMO, I think these larger conferences are inherently unstable... there will be schism over something. I mean, what happens if you start be at the bottom and your fans lose interest? There will be very real pressure to get rid of poor performing programs, especially if money on the line... conversely, i don't see you couldn't necessarily see the top half of these conferences wanting to separate after awhile... as the story goes if the other programs are anchors then why not just form your own group.
 
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Having more schools than the number of conference games is odd, but at least makes sense in the context of conference championship games. Having more teams than you're allowed to have on your overall schedule, and maybe being able to play one team from the other division every year, though, just seems stupid.
 
alfablue said:
'tis the first real night game at the Big House. I suspect we will see it for miles (and I'm glad my BR isn't on that side of the house).
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Ann Arbor is going to be a mad house all day. I wonder how many frat boys are going to have to dragged to the hospital to get their stomach pumped??
 
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Patman said:
IMO, I think these larger conferences are inherently unstable... there will be schism over something. I mean, what happens if you start be at the bottom and your fans lose interest? There will be very real pressure to get rid of poor performing programs, especially if money on the line... conversely, i don't see you couldn't necessarily see the top half of these conferences wanting to separate after awhile... as the story goes if the other programs are anchors then why not just form your own group.
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And he's right about watering down the product. Sure, ESPN gets real excited about showing Oklahoma-Texas, but not so excited about Iowa State-Kansas State. When these conferences get huge they're going to water down the level of competition even more. Plus, I doubt once Bob Stoops suffers a 3-loss (or even .500!) conference record he's going to be all that excited about these 16-24 team conferences. If people already talk about the SEC eating its own with a 12-team league, how bad will it be in a 16-team SEC, Pac-16, Big 20 or 24-team ACC/Big East hybrid? This is a catch-22 for schools like those in the Big XIII-3...those who don't go along stand to be big losers in the short-term but all these mergers may not last past one TV contract before conferences are breaking up again.
 
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Priceless said:
And he's right about watering down the product. Sure, ESPN gets real excited about showing Oklahoma-Texas, but not so excited about Iowa State-Kansas State. When these conferences get huge they're going to water down the level of competition even more. Plus, I doubt once Bob Stoops suffers a 3-loss (or even .500!) conference record he's going to be all that excited about these 16-24 team conferences. If people already talk about the SEC eating its own with a 12-team league, how bad will it be in a 16-team SEC, Pac-16, Big 20 or 24-team ACC/Big East hybrid? This is a catch-22 for schools like those in the Big XIII-3...those who don't go along stand to be big losers in the short-term but all these mergers may not last past one TV contract before conferences are breaking up again.
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Once again the evil four-letter sports network has caused all of this. They are probably pleasuring themselves to the prospect of four conferences and the payout it will bring.
 
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Methinks if this plays out as a superconference deal, Notre Dame will finally realize it's on a sinking ship with no country to bail it out. They will be forced to move to the Big Ten or Div 1-AA.

But seriously. My guess, Big Ten gets Notre Dame because even Notre Dame isn't stupid enough to commit institutional suicide on principle. Then again...
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Methinks if this plays out as a superconference deal, Notre Dame will finally realize it's on a sinking ship with no country to bail it out. They will be forced to move to the Big Ten or Div 1-AA.

But seriously. My guess, Big Ten gets Notre Dame because even Notre Dame isn't stupid enough to commit institutional suicide on principle. Then again...
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the thing is, for all this, has notre dame gone up or down in all this... seems to me for such a mediocre program they're up.

Further, if everybody else is in a super-conference doesn't that make ND that much more distinctive? I can't help but wonder that as long as they can pull down a TV deal which is better then there really isn't anything for them.
 
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Patman said:
the thing is, for all this, has notre dame gone up or down in all this... seems to me for such a mediocre program they're up.

Further, if everybody else is in a super-conference doesn't that make ND that much more distinctive? I can't help but wonder that as long as they can pull down a TV deal which is better then there really isn't anything for them.
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Up? In what way?
 
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Patman said:
more attention... desire and demand for Notre Dame seems to have increased recently... this is just my observation
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Huh... The only press I've seen about Notre Dame in years has been negative. I just don't see the positives. Maybe there is some positive uptick in the recent months, but is it really enough to permanently lose out on the Big Ten invite? You miss the superconference wave, you miss conferences forever. For better or worse.
 
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ND would have more $ in the current B10 tv deal than they do with NBC, or so I read somewhere.
 
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Slap Shot said:
ND would have more $ in the current B10 tv deal than they do with NBC, or so I read somewhere.
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You, sir, are correct. I believe every non-Big Ten team would have more TV $ than in their current contract.

I'd also be willing to bet, although this is speculation, that all teams not in the Big Ten would fare better financially if they were in the Big Ten.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Having more teams than you're allowed to have on your overall schedule, and maybe being able to play one team from the other division every year, though, just seems stupid.
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It would be like having two affiliated conferences. 7 intradvisional games, 2 rotating interdivisional games, and 3 NC games.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Methinks if this plays out as a superconference deal, Notre Dame will finally realize it's on a sinking ship with no country to bail it out. They will be forced to move to the Big Ten or Div 1-AA.

But seriously. My guess, Big Ten gets Notre Dame because even Notre Dame isn't stupid enough to commit institutional suicide on principle. Then again...
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I can't see this ever happening. Notre Dame's psyche depends on being an independent as much Cornell's does in being Ivy League. Either it's not about finance or (more likely) it's about finance at a level so high it makes all of intercollegiate sports look like penny ante poker.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
You, sir, are correct. I believe every non-Big Ten team would have more TV $ than in their current contract.

I'd also be willing to bet, although this is speculation, that all teams not in the Big Ten would fare better financially if they were in the Big Ten.
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Except those in the Pac-12.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Link?
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The Pac-12 signed a 12-year/$3,000,000,000 deal which works out to about $21M per year per school.

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And that's not all...
The Pac-12's deal will be worth $250 million annually, with each school expected to receive $20.8 million a year.

And that figure for the schools will certainly go up. The new deal is not all-inclusive. That is, a number of basketball and football games were not included in the new contract. Those games are expected to be aired on the new Pac-12 network which is still being negotiated.
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Ya know that might look more believable if they didnt spell "Income" with a "v" just saying ;)
 
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