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College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

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Bob Gray said:
The California schools would never accept being split up, so I don't see it ever happening. Other than that problem, your suggested alignment makes the most geographic sense.
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Ya, I was thinking break it into North/South:

North:

Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Colorado
Utah

South:

USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona State

Big Ten:

East:

Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana

West:

Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern

Two serious questions:

1. Is the Big XII allowed to have a title game with 10 teams?
2. Are these conferences going to change their names to reflect what they've become? Pac 12, Big Ten becoming Big 12, etc.
 
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J.D. said:
Two serious questions:

1. Is the Big XII allowed to have a title game with 10 teams?
2. Are these conferences going to change their names to reflect what they've become? Pac 12, Big Ten becoming Big 12, etc.
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1. No, not as the current NCAA rules are structured.
2. Depends. Pac-12 makes sense, since they were the Pac-8 before, and no one else is going to 'steal' Pac-anything as a name. Big XII might need to find a completely new name, and the Big Ten is one of the most recognized brands around - I can't see them changing it at all. Hell, the Atlantic 10 conference has 15 members.
 
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The next question to me is will the Big 12 try to add two teams?
 
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J.D. said:
The next question to me is will the Big 12 try to add two teams?
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It seems unlikely that they would; from what I'm reading, one of the things driving the present outcome is that ESPN/ABC was willing to stick by the contract they signed when the contract had twelve teams, and that payout is now only being split ten ways. The time when things might start to get interesting is when we approach the expiry of the current deal, then it might be in the XII/X's interest to go back up to twelve if they can get teams in the right markets.
 
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J.D. said:
Big Ten:

East:

Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Ohio State
Purdue
Indiana

West:

Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska
Illinois
Northwestern
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Possibly, what are your cross division permanent games?
 
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I say the Big 12 should rename itself the SWAC, in recognition of Texas taking over and dominating the remnants of the Big 8.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I say the Big 12 should rename itself the SWAC, in recognition of Texas taking over and dominating the remnants of the Big 8.
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Not enough Texas.

Ideally, the league would just be called "Texas", but I suppose one has to at least recognize that there are other people in the league. The Texas Ten is a cromulent name.
 
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Craig P. said:
It seems unlikely that they would; from what I'm reading, one of the things driving the present outcome is that ESPN/ABC was willing to stick by the contract they signed when the contract had twelve teams, and that payout is now only being split ten ways. The time when things might start to get interesting is when we approach the expiry of the current deal, then it might be in the XII/X's interest to go back up to twelve if they can get teams in the right markets.
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Outside of snagging BYU, i.e. the Mormon Notre Dame, there aren't any mid-major programs left that would add any value to the Big 12. TCU? Houston? Tulsa? RIce? SMU? Louisiana Tech? New Mexico? They all have glaring flaws being small private schools or lower tier/commuter publics. They have small stadiums by BCS standards and generally field fairly weak Olympic sports teams/basketball.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Outside of snagging BYU, i.e. the Mormon Notre Dame, there aren't any mid-major programs left that would add any value to the Big 12. TCU? Houston? Tulsa? RIce? SMU? Louisiana Tech? New Mexico? They all have glaring flaws being small private schools or lower tier/commuter publics. They have small stadiums by BCS standards and generally field fairly weak Olympic sports teams/basketball.
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I thought about this. What if at some point the New Big X (II?) is more lucrative than the SEC? I see two logical candidates in LSU and Arkansas. The SEC would then be looking to add two teams from the ACC IMO.

dxmnkd316 said:
Possibly, what are your cross division permanent games?
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Didn't think about that, but couldn't you just do a rotation on a year-to-year basis?
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Outside of snagging BYU, i.e. the Mormon Notre Dame, there aren't any mid-major programs left that would add any value to the Big 12. TCU? Houston? Tulsa? RIce? SMU? Louisiana Tech? New Mexico? They all have glaring flaws being small private schools or lower tier/commuter publics. They have small stadiums by BCS standards and generally field fairly weak Olympic sports teams/basketball.
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should invite vanderbilt and louisville. think outta the box. (roughly same air distance from austin to lincoln with both)

foothold in SEC and Big 10(11, 12) country.
 
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J.D. said:
Didn't think about that, but couldn't you just do a rotation on a year-to-year basis?
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I don't think so. You have two of the oldest trophies on a rotating basis (which they currently are, but I think revival of the trophies as year to year would be good for the big ten):

West/Northwest:
MSU
Michigan
Minnesota
Iowa
Wisconsin
Nebraska

East/Southeast:
PSU
OSU
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern

Protected CROSS-DIVISION games:
MSU-PSU
Michigan-OSU
Minnesota-Northwestern
Iowa-Purdue
Wisconsin-Illinois
Nebraska-Indiana

Play every team in the respective division, plus their single protected cross-division rival, plus two cross-division rotating games.

All trophies except for the governor's victory bell are preserved (but no one cares about that trophy from either of the teams). All current Big Ten mandated protected rivalries are kept alive. All non-trophy rivalries are protected as well.

The geography works out, the power balance is good, and ****it, the myth that OSU and michigan must be in the same division is completely debunked.
 
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Why would Minnesota want to protect a game with Northwestern? :confused:

I hope you meant Wisconsin.

Seperately, the biggest issue the Big Ten has in division alignment is the balance of power. If the power teams are Michigan (historically), MSU, Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska how do you break them up evenly and keep the most old rivals?

I would say this is as close as you can get. You could switch an Illinois for Northwestern if it made sense. I think Iowa and Nebraska need to be together. They are automatic border rivals and you would want to build that up.

Balance D1
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana

Balance D2
Penn State
Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Why would Minnesota want to protect a game with Northwestern? :confused:

I hope you meant Wisconsin.
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Um, no, they play them every year since they are in the same division. The protected rivalry games are just the cross-division games.

Minnesota's only rival in the west/southwest division is Northwestern. I think over the past couple years we've seen a nice little rivalry build. The last two years have produced amazing games.

I think both schools are at about the same level of competitiveness and are about on the same level.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Seperately, the biggest issue the Big Ten has in division alignment is the balance of power. If the power teams are Michigan (historically), MSU, Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska how do you break them up evenly and keep the most old rivals?

I would say this is as close as you can get. You could switch an Illinois for Northwestern if it made sense. I think Iowa and Nebraska need to be together. They are automatic border rivals and you would want to build that up.

Balance D1
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana

Balance D2
Penn State
Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
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You obviously missed the part where I did break them up as evenly as possible. You have five teams for two divisions. I have them three and two. Also, your geography isn't pretty. You have the westernmost team and the easternmost team in the same division.

In fact, the way I have it aligned, ALL RIVALRIES are preserved. All of them. Even the Iowa-Nebraska one you suggest.
 
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Michigan and OSU should just be in the same division. So they're playing for a shot at the conference title instead of for the title itself like in years past. Somehow Florida-Georgia and Texas-Oklahoma survived such an indignity.

I think such a rivalry game probably hinders a rematch if they're playing each other yearly anyway.

The geography for a breakup doesn't mean much if you don't want it to. The ACC doesn't use divisions outside of football, for instance. The Big XII didn't either, while the SEC did.
 
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