College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

[The Darkness]

I want a playoff

and TCU vs. Boise is the biggest chicken manure move I've ever seen.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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I want a playoff

and TCU vs. Boise is the biggest chicken manure move I've ever seen.

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[Kepler]

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Great title! (even though I don't want a playoff and am for abolishing the whole silly idea of a national championship)

Why is the Fiesta pairing supposed to be bad? Was there a better matchup that TCU could get? I'd love to see them destroy Florida (or Alabama for that matter) but how was that ever going to happen once Nebraska spit the bit?

 

[Jon]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

I want a playoff

and TCU vs. Boise is the biggest chicken manure move I've ever seen.

Indeed.

 

[The Darkness]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

Great title! (even though I don't want a playoff and am for abolishing the whole silly idea of a national championship)

Why is the Fiesta pairing supposed to be bad? Was there a better matchup that TCU could get? I'd love to see them destroy Florida (or Alabama for that matter) but how was that ever going to happen once Nebraska spit the bit?

Simple if TCU or Boise beats Florida or Cincinnati or any major program people will complain and say that they should have had a shot at the national title, the BCS spirals out of control and they look stupid, again.

If one beats the other, who cares, they just beat another non BCS-team.

 

[Craig P.]

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Why is the Fiesta pairing supposed to be bad? Was there a better matchup that TCU could get? I'd love to see them destroy Florida (or Alabama for that matter) but how was that ever going to happen once Nebraska spit the bit?

TCU ended up behind Cincinnati, so even if Nebraska had held on against Texas, it would have been UC playing Alabama for the title.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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One thing the mainstream media has ignored, Cincinnati finished second in the computer rankings.

What's the point of having computers if the computers don't really get a legitimate say in the matter?

If the standings are by the computers:

Bama plays Cinci for the title.

Computers gave Cinci the respect they deserved, pollsters did not.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Simple if TCU or Boise beats Florida or Cincinnati or any major program people will complain and say that they should have had a shot at the national title....

Some people are already saying that and clearly the makers of the BCS don't give a rip. Yes, there should be a playoff system but a BSU or TCU win over UF or UC wouldn't in the end change where they stand relative to both Texas and Bama.

btw - say Texas wins, UC loses and the higher BCS rated of TCU/Boise wins - it opens the door for a possible split title does it not?

 

[French Rage]

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One thing the mainstream media has ignored, Cincinnati finished second in the computer rankings.

What's the point of having computers if the computers don't really get a legitimate say in the matter?

So they can pretend that the outcome is not due to the pre-conceived notions of human voters when it actually is.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Some people are already saying that and clearly the makers of the BCS don't give a rip. Yes, there should be a playoff system but a BSU or TCU win over UF or UC wouldn't in the end change where they stand relative to both Texas and Bama.

btw - say Texas wins, UC loses and the higher BCS rated of TCU/Boise wins - it opens the door for a possible split title does it not?

It would if it wasn't for the BCS having their own set of rules dictating that the winner of their sham #1 vs. #2 game is the BCS National Champion. The NCAA handed the keys over to them to decide things.

 

[Slap Shot]

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btw - as much as the BCS blows, it could be made slightly better by both of the following:

1) No polls before the BCS comes out.

2) Voters should be willing to move a team up or down week to week more than they do now. An NFL "power rating" may be somewhat of a joke, but it seems far more likely to adapt to changes in perceptions about a team's relative strength.

 

[Slap Shot]

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The NCAA handed the keys over to them to decide things.

Is this true or did they simply do nothing about it period? The NCAA never awarded a Div I trophy to begin with and afaic they still don't.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Is this true or did they simply do nothing about it period? The NCAA never awarded a Div I trophy to begin with and afaic they still don't.

The NCAA kind of washed their hands of D-IA football already. The BCS was allowed to step in and say, "Well if you don't want to issue a National Championship, us and our sponsors will for you."

That's how it looks to me.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

Re: College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

btw - as much as the BCS blows, it could be made slightly better by both of the following:

1) No polls before the BCS comes out.

2) Voters should be willing to move a team up or down week to week more than they do now. An NFL "power rating" may be somewhat of a joke, but it seems far more likely to adapt to changes in perceptions about a team's relative strength.

1) is feasible, but I don't think 2) will ever happen and I don't think anything would change. Come October Texas at 6-0 would still be ahead of the other three because of the name on the front of their jersey.

 

[jerphisch]

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One thing the mainstream media has ignored, Cincinnati finished second in the computer rankings.

What's the point of having computers if the computers don't really get a legitimate say in the matter?

If the standings are by the computers:

Bama plays Cinci for the title.

Computers gave Cinci the respect they deserved, pollsters did not.

What's the point of having the computers at all when you limit them to looking only at win/loss. If you look at model that use margin of victory Cincinatti gets a lot less respect.

 

[French Rage]

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Heisman finalists are out (in no particular order):

Gerhart
Ingram
Suh
Tebow
McCoy

 

[CLS]

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What's the point of having the computers at all when you limit them to looking only at win/loss. If you look at model that use margin of victory Cincinatti gets a lot less respect.

Because there was a perception that coaches were running up the score. Typically there would be some comment like, “I don’t understand how them computer programs work, but I know if I win by 60 it’s better than winning by 30.”

1) No polls before the BCS comes out.

Yep, and no PWR until all games have been played. Just as likely to happen

 

[Craig P.]

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Heisman finalists are out (in no particular order):

Gerhart
Ingram
Suh
Tebow
McCoy

I can't complain about Gerhart or Suh. Ingram, I guess. Tebow and McCoy, not so much. I still think Tate should be finishing first or second.

 

[Craig P.]

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Because there was a perception that coaches were running up the score. Typically there would be some comment like, “I don’t understand how them computer programs work, but I know if I win by 60 it’s better than winning by 30.”

Of course, "win by 60 is better than win by 30" isn't necessarily correct... I think Massey has an effective cutoff at 21 points.

 

[UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing]

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I anticipate the voting going:

1 Ingram
2 Gerhart
3 Suh
4 Tebow
5 McCoy

4 and 5 have no business being finalists this year IMO. Golden Tate really belonged there over those two.