Re: College Football 2009: Bowl College Stupidity Rankings
Notre Dame players to consider passing on bowl game.
Notre Dame players to consider passing on bowl game.
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College Football 2009: Bowl College Stupidity Rankings
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He did play for Notre Dame though!
He did play for Notre Dame though!
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As of right now, ND does not have a losing record.
This is a bit of an exceptional season. Has there ever been another team as productive as ND has been on offense with as poor of an overall performance? You don't often see players like Clausen and Tate on a 6-6 team, much less with the kind of numbers they've put up.
As of right now, ND does not have a losing record.
This is a bit of an exceptional season. Has there ever been another team as productive as ND has been on offense with as poor of an overall performance? You don't often see players like Clausen and Tate on a 6-6 team, much less with the kind of numbers they've put up.
bigblue_dl
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I haven't looked at the numbers, and I didn't put much thought into it, but I seem to remember a Minnesota team with Maroney and Barber as RBs that put up a ton of points, but had such a terrible defense that they only ended up as a .500 team.As of right now, ND does not have a losing record.
This is a bit of an exceptional season. Has there ever been another team as productive as ND has been on offense with as poor of an overall performance? You don't often see players like Clausen and Tate on a 6-6 team, much less with the kind of numbers they've put up.
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Craig's got a point, but part of that 6-6 record has to fall on the leaders on the team, i.e. Claussen. Was he not directly responsible for some of those losses, too? Jesse Palmer made a valiant statement in making sure that it is understood that the award should only be judged on the player's body of work for the current season, unlike all the talking heads going on about McCoy's and Tebow's career. If that is true, do the statistical output comparison on these three and see who stands tall, including their W-L record. Claussen can't be held accountable for the terrible defensive team ND has, but he can be held for the winning drives or interceptions/fumbles etc.
Craig's got a point, but part of that 6-6 record has to fall on the leaders on the team, i.e. Claussen. Was he not directly responsible for some of those losses, too? Jesse Palmer made a valiant statement in making sure that it is understood that the award should only be judged on the player's body of work for the current season, unlike all the talking heads going on about McCoy's and Tebow's career. If that is true, do the statistical output comparison on these three and see who stands tall, including their W-L record. Claussen can't be held accountable for the terrible defensive team ND has, but he can be held for the winning drives or interceptions/fumbles etc.
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Directly? I wouldn't say that. Probably the closest he comes is Navy and UConn, maybe a little bit USC, and the Trojans are hard to place because of how their defense did a 180 from beastly to horrific on either side of the ND game. Vs. Navy, the only obvious failing was when Jimmy sold out to get into the end zone and fumbled at the 1 yd line. Vs. UConn, you can't pick any one play, but the offense was disappointing after we went up 14-0, though Clausen still had two TD passes and a bunch of yards.
Ultimately, though, the shortcomings in a couple of statistically excellent games is why I'm pushing more for Tate than Clausen, as Tate has inarguably continued to make transcendent plays when games are on the line (witness, punt return vs. Pitt, onside kick recovery and TD vs. Navy, and so on), plus he might be the most dangerous guy in college football with the ball in his hands in the open field.
None of Clausen's interceptions has had a direct bearing on the outcome of a game (offhand, I'm not even sure if any have come in a loss). Only the fumble against Navy. Vs. Pitt, the fumble call was complete and utter bull****, I will go to my grave convinced that was an incomplete pass.
When you consider the totality of the team and their respective level of competition, I don't see how you can directly compare the W/L records of Clausen, McCoy, Tebow, and Moore (and even the raw stats for Moore are problematic). McCoy and Tebow are on much more complete teams (UT's defense is being talked up as the best in the country by some of the WWL's talking heads). Moore has played much weaker competition.
Directly? I wouldn't say that. Probably the closest he comes is Navy and UConn, maybe a little bit USC, and the Trojans are hard to place because of how their defense did a 180 from beastly to horrific on either side of the ND game. Vs. Navy, the only obvious failing was when Jimmy sold out to get into the end zone and fumbled at the 1 yd line. Vs. UConn, you can't pick any one play, but the offense was disappointing after we went up 14-0, though Clausen still had two TD passes and a bunch of yards.
Ultimately, though, the shortcomings in a couple of statistically excellent games is why I'm pushing more for Tate than Clausen, as Tate has inarguably continued to make transcendent plays when games are on the line (witness, punt return vs. Pitt, onside kick recovery and TD vs. Navy, and so on), plus he might be the most dangerous guy in college football with the ball in his hands in the open field.
None of Clausen's interceptions has had a direct bearing on the outcome of a game (offhand, I'm not even sure if any have come in a loss). Only the fumble against Navy. Vs. Pitt, the fumble call was complete and utter bull****, I will go to my grave convinced that was an incomplete pass.
When you consider the totality of the team and their respective level of competition, I don't see how you can directly compare the W/L records of Clausen, McCoy, Tebow, and Moore (and even the raw stats for Moore are problematic). McCoy and Tebow are on much more complete teams (UT's defense is being talked up as the best in the country by some of the WWL's talking heads). Moore has played much weaker competition.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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Correct, although by the same token guys win the Heisman all the time who spend most of their career winning games 70-3 (paging Mr. Tebow, white courtesy telephone please). Hardly crunch time.
If the Heisman is supposed to go to the athlete who has the greatest theoretical position-adjusted WAR, in my mind that is Tate, at least among offensive players.
Then again, if it were an objective award it would go to players on mid-major / minor conference teams most of the time, instead of the hype machine factory schools year after year (c.f., the national championship).
Correct, although by the same token guys win the Heisman all the time who spend most of their career winning games 70-3 (paging Mr. Tebow, white courtesy telephone please). Hardly crunch time.
If the Heisman is supposed to go to the athlete who has the greatest theoretical position-adjusted WAR, in my mind that is Tate, at least among offensive players.
Then again, if it were an objective award it would go to players on mid-major / minor conference teams most of the time, instead of the hype machine factory schools year after year (c.f., the national championship).
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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If there was, I'll bet it was in the WAC.
As of right now, ND does not have a losing record.
This is a bit of an exceptional season. Has there ever been another team as productive as ND has been on offense with as poor of an overall performance?
If there was, I'll bet it was in the WAC.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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Ordinarily I'd applaud, but we're going to need the money to help pay for Charlie's early withdrawal. Ew. I wish I had not written that.
Ordinarily I'd applaud, but we're going to need the money to help pay for Charlie's early withdrawal. Ew. I wish I had not written that.
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The defense that gave up 39 to A&M? Riiiight.
The defense that gave up 39 to A&M? Riiiight.
GreatLakerMohawk
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McCoy's team is undefeated and he's their QB.
Tate is on Notre Dame and they're mediocre.
McCoy's team is undefeated and he's their QB.
Tate is on Notre Dame and they're mediocre.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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So because McCoy has thrown 5 more INTs than Clausen he should lose to Clausen even though he's much more mobile and gone undefeated?
So because McCoy has thrown 5 more INTs than Clausen he should lose to Clausen even though he's much more mobile and gone undefeated?
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Haven't they been <strike>ecouraging</strike> reporting this since around the beginning of October?
Haven't they been <strike>ecouraging</strike> reporting this since around the beginning of October?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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NY Daily News (i.e., "Headless Woman in Topless Bar") ran their story half an hour ago.
NY Daily News (i.e., "Headless Woman in Topless Bar") ran their story half an hour ago.
bronconick
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You're forgetting the whining and pleading Urban Cryer managed and Carr's refusal to do the same.
You're forgetting the whining and pleading Urban Cryer managed and Carr's refusal to do the same.
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Can't be true, it's not on their Twitter yet.
Can't be true, it's not on their Twitter yet.
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I'll take Idaho for $200, Alex.
Twice they've scored more than 45 points, and lost. In the 3 other losses, they scored over 20.
3 of the losses, the D were shredded for more than 50.... One other was over 40, and the 5th was 30.
And, thankfully, it still looks as if my Vandals will get an invite to a bowl, hopefully the Humanitarian, so we can go. 7-5 aint too shabby when you look at the past few years. As sad as it sounds, I'm hoping Bozo State gets a BCS bid- that means 3 other WAC teams get bowls, if eleigible. Woot, woot.
If there was, I'll bet it was in the WAC.
I'll take Idaho for $200, Alex.
Twice they've scored more than 45 points, and lost. In the 3 other losses, they scored over 20.
3 of the losses, the D were shredded for more than 50.... One other was over 40, and the 5th was 30.
And, thankfully, it still looks as if my Vandals will get an invite to a bowl, hopefully the Humanitarian, so we can go. 7-5 aint too shabby when you look at the past few years. As sad as it sounds, I'm hoping Bozo State gets a BCS bid- that means 3 other WAC teams get bowls, if eleigible. Woot, woot.
UMDBulldogHockeyIsKing
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It would be hilarious to see the mass hysteria at ABC were there somehow a way for Alabama, Florida, AND Texas to fail to reach the BCS championship game. How many people you think would settle in for a night of TCU/Cincinnati football?
But even were Alabama and Florida to tie, they'd probably stay 1 and 2. And yes, I know the whole OT thing negates that possibility.
It would be hilarious to see the mass hysteria at ABC were there somehow a way for Alabama, Florida, AND Texas to fail to reach the BCS championship game. How many people you think would settle in for a night of TCU/Cincinnati football?
But even were Alabama and Florida to tie, they'd probably stay 1 and 2. And yes, I know the whole OT thing negates that possibility.
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But Florida wouldn't do THAT!!! They're classy! And if you disagree, they'll send their linebacker to gouge your eyes out.
But Florida wouldn't do THAT!!! They're classy! And if you disagree, they'll send their linebacker to gouge your eyes out.
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