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College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

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Bob Gray said:
I agree with the posts that talk about the importance of academic standing. We focus on sports issues, but an important factor to the universities is whether the team coming in fits the bill academically. This is particularly true for certain conferences like the Pac Ten, Big Ten, and ACC. Regarding the Pac, I don't think there's a good fit out there anywhere, and I think people are pretty happy with the current ten teams. You'd either have to grab two Utah teams, like Utah and BYU, but that doesn't do much for exanding the conference footprint and/or market. Or you go further east, for teams like Colorado and Texas, but that's got a lot of reasons it's unlikely to happen. The Big Ten has a lot more possibilities in its neck of the woods, but they do seem to be picky, and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't any change for many years. As for Notre Dame, they've got a sweet deal in football, and I don't see why they'd water that down by joining a conference, unless something major changes. If they do go to a conference for football, I'd think the Big Ten would be the heavy favorite. But I don't really think that'll happen in the foreseeable future.
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Indeed, academics are huge. Penn State's reputation and academic prestige has greatly increased since joining the Big Ten, with all the requirements and privileges thereof. The Big Ten is the only conference where all the members are also members of the AAU. There's a reason when Notre Dame was considering joining the Big Ten that the faculty was overwhelmingly for the idea.
 
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blockski said:
Indeed, academics are huge. Penn State's reputation and academic prestige has greatly increased since joining the Big Ten, with all the requirements and privileges thereof. The Big Ten is the only conference where all the members are also members of the AAU. There's a reason when Notre Dame was considering joining the Big Ten that the faculty was overwhelmingly for the idea.
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Does Notre Dame have the profile to joing the AAU? I don't think a lot of the academically focused catholic universities (and Dartmouth) have the requisite amount of focus on research to be admitted.

I also wonder if the university would sever itself without some serious thought from the non-football members of the Big East, who are all Catholic universities.
 
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The Darkness said:
The Big Ten has a long history of holding grudges. The Big Ten wanted Notre Dame a long time ago which was greeted with a big screw you.
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I think you need to work on your history. Ca. the '20s and '30s, the Integer turned its back on ND (with Michigan's Fielding Yost a big part of it); a number of ND fans still carry a grudge over it.

About ten years ago, an overture was made from the Integer to ND. The faculty senate was overwhelmingly in favor of joining, but the board of trustees said no. Alumni sentiment was overwhelmingly opposed. Most of that was simply wanting to stay independent, but some of it was negative feeling toward the Integer for past enmity.

I don't think the later rejection was "a big screw you," but I can't say the same for the earlier one.

Besides an extra team means an extra team to share money with not to mention it will throw off the scheduling for Michigan, Michigan State and Notre Dame, so not gonna happen.
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I think the ND brand and the prospect of a conference championship game would bring in enough additional money to offset the extra share going out. I also can't see scheduling being a huge issue; if anything, having 12 teams would make it easier.
 
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I also wonder if the university would sever itself without some serious thought from the non-football members of the Big East, who are all Catholic universities.
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ND's in a kind of odd place in the Big East. In terms of the university's profile, we're similar to most of the other non-football programs. In terms of the athletic department, however, we're more similar to the football programs than the non-football programs, the latter tending (though not universally so) to be less competitive in the Olympic sports.

I think it's generally been considered that ND would want to be on the football side of a football/non-football split in the Big East. It would be the better conference in just about every sport.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Does Notre Dame have the profile to joing the AAU? I don't think a lot of the academically focused catholic universities (and Dartmouth) have the requisite amount of focus on research to be admitted.

I also wonder if the university would sever itself without some serious thought from the non-football members of the Big East, who are all Catholic universities.
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Probably not, as the AAU is all about research. It's worth noting that the Catholic University of America, a founding AAU member, withdrew from the institution in 2002, citing different goals for the university.

Nevertheless, that, like any other bylaw, can be changed. If the Big Ten wants ND and ND wants in, they can make that happen - ND's overall academic reputation is certainly strong enough, even if the focus on research isn't as strong.

Anyway, the Big Ten isn't in any rush to get a 12th member.
 
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A punch in the face? Out for a season.
Try to gouge a guy's eyes out? Out for a half (against powerhouse Vanderbilt).

And great policing by the SEC.
 
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Policing? Florida? Two words that go together so well. Although the policing usually happens off the field in Florida's case.
 
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Craig P. said:
I think the ND brand and the prospect of a conference championship game would bring in enough additional money to offset the extra share going out. I also can't see scheduling being a huge issue; if anything, having 12 teams would make it easier.
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As far as the scheduling right now the big ten allows two "protected" games on each teams scheduled, which are teams that each team play every year while all other teams rotate off of each schedule every couple years. Right now Michigan's protected games are against Michigan State and Ohio State, and I don't see them changing that to add Notre Dame. Of course adding a 12th team would have to change just everything so who knows how this would effect anything.
 
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Priceless said:
A punch in the face? Out for a season.
Try to gouge a guy's eyes out? Out for a half (against powerhouse Vanderbilt).

And great policing by the SEC.
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Business as usual in the SEC.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
You think Stanford is going to agree to play in the same conference as Boise State (I know they let them in as a wrestling associate, but entirely different)?
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Hey, we let Cal in, so clearly we're letting a lot of stuff slide.
 
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Does anyone think if Boise State, TCU, and Cincinatti all finish undefeated and NONE of them play for the National Championship that it will make any in-roads for the claim that a playoff is needed?
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Does anyone think if Boise State, TCU, and Cincinatti all finish undefeated and NONE of them play for the National Championship that it will make any in-roads for the claim that a playoff is needed?
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Sure it will.

Will those in-roads matter?

No.
 
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If you're going to sit a guy, sit him. This 'first half' suspension deserves whatever ridicule it gets.

That said...things got nasty at the bottom of a scrum? The humanity!:eek:

I'm sure this sort of behavior never goes on in less prominent games, where there aren't 9 different camera angles to catch every play.
 
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LynahFan said:
Me neither. It's the BCS conferences' party, and they don't have to let anyone else play if they don't want to.
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If there were a combination of three undefeated teams from the Pac 10, Big 10, SEC, and the Big 12 then there would be a problem.

Until then, status quo.
 
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LynahFan said:
Me neither. It's the BCS conferences' party, and they don't have to let anyone else play if they don't want to.
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Well the Big East is a BCS conference so in that situation Cincinnati would be the BCS "brother" who has to take their lumps while a team like, say, Oregon jumps over them and that's even with Boise State involved. After all, beating USC carries a lot of weight. :rolleyes:
 
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