College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

[Kepler]

Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

I bet most people think they are C-USA if they don't remember Big East.

Guilty. I always think they're some Ohio valley mid-major, anyway the Big East became a mid-major after the ACC stripped them, so it's not far wrong.

 

[The Darkness]

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Because they are from Ohio. Ohio does not speak Big East to a lot of us. So it's VERY, VERY easy to forget that they are Big East. Don't bring up WVU- they've been good long enough for everyone to know they are Big East. UC is new to the national picture, so it's easy to not remember where they play. I bet most people think they are C-USA if they don't remember Big East.

Guilty. I always think they're some Ohio valley mid-major, anyway the Big East became a mid-major after the ACC stripped them, so it's not far wrong.

Cincinnati actually came over from Conference-USA to the Big East when all of that re-alignment went on a couple years ago.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Cincinnati actually came over from Conference-USA to the Big East when all of that re-alignment went on a couple years ago.

Right, Cincy, Louisville, and South Florida all joined the Big East during the big realinement in 2005. What would be really interesting to see happen would be what happens in the next realinenment. Sooner or later, the Big Ten is going to get another program in to put them at 12. Could be they finally bag ND, the simplest move and about the only one that wouldn't cause a major shift in things. Or do they pick off somebody from the Big East or a Big XII North school? Iowa State or Missouri would do alright in the Big 10, and word has it that some Arkansas fans want their school in the Big XII. Hard to say what else would happen if that happens, other than the SEC is going to be courting somebody from the ACC most likely, FSU or Georgia Tech would be my best guesses as who they would go after the hardest. ACC will probably look at a Big East school, and the Big East might finally tell ND to poop or get off the pot as for them to bring the rest of their sports department into the Big East. Big East probably sends Memphis a big invite as well.

 

[Kepler]

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I won't believe Notre Dame is even in the initial stage of a discussion to join Big Ten football until the rest of the teams move into it. If ND hoops shifted, I'd definitely worry that was a precursor move.

Nor do I think the Big East is in any position to dictate terms to Notre Dame. I think the tiny chance there ever was of Irish football joining an existing eastern conference was eliminated when JoPa went west.

Notre Dame forming an entirely new conference with Penn State, BC, Miami, Florida State, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia... now you're talkin'!

 

[bigmrg74]

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I won't believe Notre Dame is even in the initial stage of a discussion to join Big Ten football until the rest of the teams move into it. If ND hoops shifted, I'd definitely worry that was a precursor move.

Nor do I think the Big East is in any position to dictate terms to Notre Dame. I think the tiny chance there ever was of Irish football joining an existing eastern conference was eliminated when JoPa went west.

Notre Dame forming an entirely new conference with Penn State, BC, Miami, Florida State, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia... now you're talkin'!

The other sports at ND are not what butters their bread there at South Bend. ND needs a conference for them to fill out their schedules. Not everybody is going to want to invite ND all the time to come to their track meets and swim meets.

 

[Craig P.]

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ND needs a conference for them to fill out their schedules.

I'll believe that when someone other than the late and unlamented Kevin White (or his lackey Heisler) says it.

 

[pirate]

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Nd needs a conference like a fish needs ****

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

Nd needs a conference like a fish needs ****

Fish need to **** too, how else will they procreate?

 

[bronconick]

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Georgia Tech isn't joining the SEC for academic reasons. There are 6 top 50 colleges in the ACC and 2 in the SEC. Florida State's last in the ACC at 102, which is good enough for sixth in the SEC. That ranking has dropped from the mid 70's under the previous president (The current one is a Bowden/football stooge) The ACC is almost as snobby about who they invite as the Big Ten, academically speaking. (Probably the reason they originally wanted Syracuse as opposed to Virginia Tech)

I doubt Florida State moves now that Miami's in the ACC, since moving to the SEC would just replace their Florida non-conference game with a Miami one.

I'd say Clemson is the most likely team to switch conferences, with South Carolina as their rival, but that's unlikely as well.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Georgia Tech isn't joining the SEC for academic reasons. There are 6 top 50 colleges in the ACC and 2 in the SEC. Florida State's last in the ACC at 102, which is good enough for sixth in the SEC. That ranking has dropped from the mid 70's under the previous president (The current one is a Bowden/football stooge) The ACC is almost as snobby about who they invite as the Big Ten, academically speaking. (Probably the reason they originally wanted Syracuse as opposed to Virginia Tech)

I doubt Florida State moves now that Miami's in the ACC, since moving to the SEC would just replace their Florida non-conference game with a Miami one.

I'd say Clemson is the most likely team to switch conferences, with South Carolina as their rival, but that's unlikely as well.

With the caveat that these things are kind of pointless to start with, Syracuse at 58 is that much more attractive than VaTech at 71? Seems like a distinction without a difference to me. I dunno where things stood when the move happened, but I doubt it was that different...
To me the attractions with the 'cuse would be (1)basketball, (2) geography/demographics, (3) basketball, (4) something I'm not thinking of, (5) prestige

 

[blockski]

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I'll believe that when someone other than the late and unlamented Kevin White (or his lackey Heisler) says it.

Then why is Notre Dame in the Big East?

I think you misread bigmrg's point - that the other sports need a conference to fill their schedules.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

Then why is Notre Dame in the Big East?

It's not feasible to be independent in all sports—in particular, ND basketball went into a bit of a nose-dive in the early '90's as they waited a few years too long to go into a conference. It's conceivable that at some point, it won't be feasible to be independent in football, but I don't believe that day has arrived yet.

I think you misread bigmrg's point - that the other sports need a conference to fill their schedules.

I still think, based on the context, he was talking about football.

 

[Plante26]

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If Notre Dame joins the Big Ten, then why not form a Big Ten college hockey conference?

 

[blockski]

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It's not feasible to be independent in all sports—in particular, ND basketball went into a bit of a nose-dive in the early '90's as they waited a few years too long to go into a conference. It's conceivable that at some point, it won't be feasible to be independent in football, but I don't believe that day has arrived yet.


I still think, based on the context, he was talking about football.

No, I think you're both in violent agreement.

I won't believe Notre Dame is even in the initial stage of a discussion to join Big Ten football until the rest of the teams move into it. If ND hoops shifted, I'd definitely worry that was a precursor move.

The other sports at ND are not what butters their bread there at South Bend. ND needs a conference for them to fill out their schedules. Not everybody is going to want to invite ND all the time to come to their track meets and swim meets.

His pronoun "them" clearly refers to the "other sports at ND" referenced in the first sentence. Plus, "their schedules" is plural - I read that as schedules for multiple sports.

Put in the context of Kepler's quote (where he postulated that the other, non-football sports would move first for ND), it seems clear we're discussing non-football sports here.

For the record, I don't think Kepler's assertion is true at all - ND sure isn't leaning towards the Big East in football. Also, the Big Ten a) isn't keeping the door open, b) wouldn't do it half-assed - ND brings all the sports, including football, or they bring none, and c) doesn't really want or need ND.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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Georgia Tech isn't joining the SEC for academic reasons. There are 6 top 50 colleges in the ACC and 2 in the SEC. Florida State's last in the ACC at 102, which is good enough for sixth in the SEC. That ranking has dropped from the mid 70's under the previous president (The current one is a Bowden/football stooge) The ACC is almost as snobby about who they invite as the Big Ten, academically speaking. (Probably the reason they originally wanted Syracuse as opposed to Virginia Tech)

I doubt Florida State moves now that Miami's in the ACC, since moving to the SEC would just replace their Florida non-conference game with a Miami one.

I'd say Clemson is the most likely team to switch conferences, with South Carolina as their rival, but that's unlikely as well.

This is the principal reason I always when someone says "Hawaii/Fresno State and Boise State to the Pac, then they can have a conference championship game!"

You think Stanford is going to agree to play in the same conference as Boise State (I know they let them in as a wrestling associate, but entirely different)? Cal and UCLA in the same conference as Central Valley U?

 

[bigmrg74]

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Then why is Notre Dame in the Big East?

I think you misread bigmrg's point - that the other sports need a conference to fill their schedules.

Correct. ND isn't going to be getting any of the Big Dance money as an independent. But as a member of the Big East, they get that money. The Big East sent like what, 7 squads to the ball? The Big East gets seven shares of March Madness revenue just from sending those squads there right? Multiply whatever a share is seven times, and then divide that by 16, and thats still a pretty good chunk of change there. I know I could pay off a lot of bills with whatever that number is.

It's not feasible to be independent in all sports—in particular, ND basketball went into a bit of a nose-dive in the early '90's as they waited a few years too long to go into a conference. It's conceivable that at some point, it won't be feasible to be independent in football, but I don't believe that day has arrived yet.


I still think, based on the context, he was talking about football.

Nope, I was talking about how its not feasable for ND to be independent in all sports. The chairs start getting shuffled around again here and the Big East finds itself getting raided, the football schools that are left in that conference are going to want the drawing power of butts in the seats that ND football brings with them. Schools like Louisville, Cincinnatti, UCONN and Rutgers could all probably charge double for tickets just to when ND is in town, or move the game to a larger venue. And having ND coming to town would help drive up season ticket sales as well. Push comes to shove, maybe a schedualing agreement where ND has to play Non-Con Football games with the BCS football schools. Say at least 3 a year where 2 of them are at the other BE schools, and one of the games is in South Bend.

 

[pirate]

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Present company excluded but I love to read the moronic internet comments after every ND article saying "ND should join a conference" (in this case football is the subject since other teams are already in a conference). Why?

Why should they change the deal they have now? If you were the AD would you give up what you have now to play in a conference? No aspect of the contracts with NBC, Adidas, BCS etc. nor the 7-4-1 scheduling model make me believe it is in ND's best interest to join a football conference.

 

[Kepler]

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For the record, I don't think Kepler's assertion is true at all - ND sure isn't leaning towards the Big East in football. Also, the Big Ten a) isn't keeping the door open, b) wouldn't do it half-assed - ND brings all the sports, including football, or they bring none, and c) doesn't really want or need ND.

I feel like I'm in Life of Brian. Your "disagreement with my assertion" is my assertion. ND football will never join the Big East for all the reasons everybody listed. (b) is an obvious truism.

As for (a) and (c), while the Big 10 doesn't need ND you're crazy if you think they don't want them. Green isn't just a jersey we pull out every few years to lose to USC in.

 

[The Darkness]

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I feel like I'm in Life of Brian. Your "disagreement with my assertion" is my assertion. ND football will never join the Big East for all the reasons everybody listed. (b) is an obvious truism.

As for (a) and (c), while the Big 10 doesn't need ND you're crazy if you think they don't want them. Green isn't just a jersey we pull out every few years to lose to USC in.

The Big Ten has a long history of holding grudges. The Big Ten wanted Notre Dame a long time ago which was greeted with a big screw you. So there is no way that Notre Dame joins the Big Ten outside of begging.

Besides an extra team means an extra team to share money with not to mention it will throw off the scheduling for Michigan, Michigan State and Notre Dame, so not gonna happen.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I agree with the posts that talk about the importance of academic standing. We focus on sports issues, but an important factor to the universities is whether the team coming in fits the bill academically. This is particularly true for certain conferences like the Pac Ten, Big Ten, and ACC. Regarding the Pac, I don't think there's a good fit out there anywhere, and I think people are pretty happy with the current ten teams. You'd either have to grab two Utah teams, like Utah and BYU, but that doesn't do much for exanding the conference footprint and/or market. Or you go further east, for teams like Colorado and Texas, but that's got a lot of reasons it's unlikely to happen. The Big Ten has a lot more possibilities in its neck of the woods, but they do seem to be picky, and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't any change for many years. As for Notre Dame, they've got a sweet deal in football, and I don't see why they'd water that down by joining a conference, unless something major changes. If they do go to a conference for football, I'd think the Big Ten would be the heavy favorite. But I don't really think that'll happen in the foreseeable future.