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College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
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Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Why is anyone getting upset about this? Honestly...who cares enough to actually get ticked off at this?
Did it **** the sport when the tournament went from 32 to 64 teams?
Why is anyone getting upset about this? Honestly...who cares enough to actually get ticked off at this?
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Ok, let's just invite everyone then. Participation ribbons for everyone!
Ok, let's just invite everyone then. Participation ribbons for everyone!
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
But if you want to get high and mighty and upset about something in life, I'm glad you chose something important to worry about.
Which doesn't answer my question in the least, nor is that what the NCAA is doing.
But if you want to get high and mighty and upset about something in life, I'm glad you chose something important to worry about.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Right... Why not take it to the extreme? Where do you draw the line? 128? 256? I'm not worried, but since you seem to think that I can't have an opinion on the topic I'll guess I'll drop it.
Right... Why not take it to the extreme? Where do you draw the line? 128? 256? I'm not worried, but since you seem to think that I can't have an opinion on the topic I'll guess I'll drop it.
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
If it's a question of where you draw the line, why 64? Why not 16, 32, 48, or 128?
We've had 11 seeds make runs in the tournament, if adding a few more teams for one extra play-in day means making sure that pretty much all possiible contenders are in the tournament, then I'm all for it.
There's something like 260-300 teams playing DI basketball, if making the 65 team tournament is an accomplishment that will be remembered (even if you get smoked by 30 pts in the first round), then this isn't exactly going to open it up to that many more teams.
I wouldn't have a problem if they jumped it all the way out to 128, could you imagine the insanity of the first round with all the matchups, upsets, and games to follow? As a fan of the sport (and mostly march madness), that'd be awesome. And in the end, it doesn't really matter how many teams make the tournament, you still only have 1 champion.
You can have an opinion, I was just asking you WHY you had it, but you didn't try to answer it. You're acting like you are ticked just because you want to be.
If it's a question of where you draw the line, why 64? Why not 16, 32, 48, or 128?
We've had 11 seeds make runs in the tournament, if adding a few more teams for one extra play-in day means making sure that pretty much all possiible contenders are in the tournament, then I'm all for it.
There's something like 260-300 teams playing DI basketball, if making the 65 team tournament is an accomplishment that will be remembered (even if you get smoked by 30 pts in the first round), then this isn't exactly going to open it up to that many more teams.
I wouldn't have a problem if they jumped it all the way out to 128, could you imagine the insanity of the first round with all the matchups, upsets, and games to follow? As a fan of the sport (and mostly march madness), that'd be awesome. And in the end, it doesn't really matter how many teams make the tournament, you still only have 1 champion.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
We need one season long tournament a la Baseketball. I want to see a game decided by a sack race every third Sunday.
We need one season long tournament a la Baseketball. I want to see a game decided by a sack race every third Sunday.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
True. I see the argument but until someone with a double digit seed wins it all, I just can't get behind this. I just think it's nuts.
A 13 seed has never made it past the sweet 16. A 12 seed has only made it to the Elite 8 once. This is just a money grab and does nothing to enhance the tournament. I don't think it would increase the insanity because major upsets happen so rarely in the sport due to the seedings that it probably takes away from the game to add one more level of boring 30-40 point blowouts.
True. I see the argument but until someone with a double digit seed wins it all, I just can't get behind this. I just think it's nuts.
A 13 seed has never made it past the sweet 16. A 12 seed has only made it to the Elite 8 once. This is just a money grab and does nothing to enhance the tournament. I don't think it would increase the insanity because major upsets happen so rarely in the sport due to the seedings that it probably takes away from the game to add one more level of boring 30-40 point blowouts.
RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Here's the problem with bringing up past expansions...
Those came about because "winning teams" missing the show... I know one of the examples was when USC was a Top 5 national team, but was denied access to the tourney because UCLA was in the middle of their dynasty and beat them earlier in that year... Back then, a conference could only send a single team to the Dance... I am sure there were other incedents like this in the ACC, SEC, etc... That brought on the expansion to 32 teams...
The expansion in the 80's was made to accommodate teams that won their conference... Again, a legit reason to make the field, IMO...
Please explain how this expansion will allow "winning teams" into the dance? If they want to go to 68 teams to allow the Great West Conference a birth, I am fine with that... But how the hell is a #10 team in the Big East worthy of being in the NCAA tournament?
Here's the problem with bringing up past expansions...
Those came about because "winning teams" missing the show... I know one of the examples was when USC was a Top 5 national team, but was denied access to the tourney because UCLA was in the middle of their dynasty and beat them earlier in that year... Back then, a conference could only send a single team to the Dance... I am sure there were other incedents like this in the ACC, SEC, etc... That brought on the expansion to 32 teams...
The expansion in the 80's was made to accommodate teams that won their conference... Again, a legit reason to make the field, IMO...
Please explain how this expansion will allow "winning teams" into the dance? If they want to go to 68 teams to allow the Great West Conference a birth, I am fine with that... But how the hell is a #10 team in the Big East worthy of being in the NCAA tournament?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
How about have a 64 team field but you can only qualify if you are .500+ in conference?
How about have a 64 team field but you can only qualify if you are .500+ in conference?
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
For those who didn't see it, here's Brady Morningstar:
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For those who didn't see it, here's Brady Morningstar:
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
dear god... there is no reason for a 96 team tournament. None. There is no right to be rewarded for a mediocre season. As it is, most complaints are about who makes the tournament... this screaming will actually get worse.... the reason for this is that there's always more mediocre teams and questionable calls the further down you go.
I don't see what problem it solves... other than the NCAA's cash flow... that's about it.
edit: same with 68... is there really a concern that a national championship caliber team is being left at home? at least the idea with conferences auto-bids is that teams may be possibly under-valued due to regionalism and scheduling.
I wonder how embarrased the BE is that they haven't been able to get above 8 bids
dear god... there is no reason for a 96 team tournament. None. There is no right to be rewarded for a mediocre season. As it is, most complaints are about who makes the tournament... this screaming will actually get worse.... the reason for this is that there's always more mediocre teams and questionable calls the further down you go.
I don't see what problem it solves... other than the NCAA's cash flow... that's about it.
edit: same with 68... is there really a concern that a national championship caliber team is being left at home? at least the idea with conferences auto-bids is that teams may be possibly under-valued due to regionalism and scheduling.
I wonder how embarrased the BE is that they haven't been able to get above 8 bids
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
careful... that opinion isn't allowed in here, it makes you high and mighty.
careful... that opinion isn't allowed in here, it makes you high and mighty.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Hey, how about this one... how are they going to determine the field. In principle they have to judge the top 50 for the NCAA field. Now they'll be judging, what? the top 90? I don't think you could watch enough basketball to pull that off when #89-#92 are from America East, Big West, Big 10, and the Colonial respectively.
Does that mean its time to let the computers reign?
careful... that opinion isn't allowed in here, it makes you high and mighty.
Hey, how about this one... how are they going to determine the field. In principle they have to judge the top 50 for the NCAA field. Now they'll be judging, what? the top 90? I don't think you could watch enough basketball to pull that off when #89-#92 are from America East, Big West, Big 10, and the Colonial respectively.
Does that mean its time to let the computers reign?
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Hey, i agree with you. (See above posts.)
I think 65 teams is plenty. 96 is rewarding mediocrity.
Hey, i agree with you. (See above posts.)
I think 65 teams is plenty. 96 is rewarding mediocrity.
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Pure business move. Now all the Major (read: BCS conference) teams with even a winning record can be in the postseason in both major sports. 62 at large bids with 50 going to 6-7 conferences. 16-15 (5-11)? Hell, that's as good as 6-6 (2-6)! Welcome to the postseason!
For the sake of this argument, the NIT doesn't count because everyone knows it's crap.
Pure business move. Now all the Major (read: BCS conference) teams with even a winning record can be in the postseason in both major sports. 62 at large bids with 50 going to 6-7 conferences. 16-15 (5-11)? Hell, that's as good as 6-6 (2-6)! Welcome to the postseason!
For the sake of this argument, the NIT doesn't count because everyone knows it's crap.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
i know... i'm just pointing out the absurdity
edit: since I have nothing better to do... here's the conference breakdown through games of last night using Sagarin ratings as the rule... (65 team field)/(96 team field)
50/83 RANKING LIMBO LINE
AM EAST 1/1
ACC 7/11
ASUN 1/1
A10 4/5
BEAST 7/13
BSOUTH 1/1
B10 4/7
B12 7/9
BWEST 1/1
COLONIAL 2/4
C-USA 2/4
GWEST 0/0 (if 1 then take away from WCC)
HORIZON 1/1
IVY 1/1
MAAC 1/1
MID-AM 1/1
MEAC 1/1
MISSVAL 1/2
MWC 3/4
NEAST 1/1
OHIOVAL 1/1
PAC10 1/5
PATRIOT 1/1
SEC 4/7
SOUTHERN 1/1
SOUTHLAND 1/1
SWEST 1/1
SUMMIT 1/1
SUNBELT 1/1
WCC 2/3
WAC 1/3
The big winners are all power conferences BE +6, ACC +4, SEC +3, PAC10 +4 and Big 10 +3
i know... i'm just pointing out the absurdity
edit: since I have nothing better to do... here's the conference breakdown through games of last night using Sagarin ratings as the rule... (65 team field)/(96 team field)
50/83 RANKING LIMBO LINE
AM EAST 1/1
ACC 7/11
ASUN 1/1
A10 4/5
BEAST 7/13
BSOUTH 1/1
B10 4/7
B12 7/9
BWEST 1/1
COLONIAL 2/4
C-USA 2/4
GWEST 0/0 (if 1 then take away from WCC)
HORIZON 1/1
IVY 1/1
MAAC 1/1
MID-AM 1/1
MEAC 1/1
MISSVAL 1/2
MWC 3/4
NEAST 1/1
OHIOVAL 1/1
PAC10 1/5
PATRIOT 1/1
SEC 4/7
SOUTHERN 1/1
SOUTHLAND 1/1
SWEST 1/1
SUMMIT 1/1
SUNBELT 1/1
WCC 2/3
WAC 1/3
The big winners are all power conferences BE +6, ACC +4, SEC +3, PAC10 +4 and Big 10 +3
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: College Basketball 2009-10: The Road to the Road to Lucas Oil
Like I said, invite everyone. Make it a 256 team NCAA bracket and a 91 team NIT. Everyone is happy then.
Like I said, invite everyone. Make it a 256 team NCAA bracket and a 91 team NIT. Everyone is happy then.