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Colgate 2011-12

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PWR forecast Update: January 14, 2012

Well a disappointing 6-2 loss to the Princeton Tigers was not what we were hoping for. As far as today goes: just win, baby. A win over Quinnipiac does the following:
-Snaps the losing skid
-Snaps a losing skid at TD Bank Sports Center
-Gives us a H2H tiebreaker over the Bobcats
-Gives us a road split
-Keeps us on pace for a top-4 ECAC finish

Other teams to root for:
-Merrimack over Maine (the Warriors won last night)
-BU over Harvard
-Dartmouth over UNH
-BC over Northeastern
-Miami over Lake Superior
-Ferris State over Alaska
-Nebraska-Omaha over Minn-Duluth

We will most likely have to go on a winning streak of sorts in order to improve our objective PWR status. A win over Quinnipiac (today), as well as wins over Cornell and Union will go a long way. I'll be making the trip down to CT this afternoon, my 3rd trip to TD Bank Sports Center, and I don't want a repeat of my last two trips there.
 
Re: Colgate 2011-12

PWR forecast Update: January 14, 2012

Well a disappointing 6-2 loss to the Princeton Tigers was not what we were hoping for. As far as today goes: just win, baby. A win over Quinnipiac does the following:
-Snaps the losing skid
-Snaps a losing skid at TD Bank Sports Center
-Gives us a H2H tiebreaker over the Bobcats
-Gives us a road split
-Keeps us on pace for a top-4 ECAC finish

Other teams to root for:
-Merrimack over Maine (the Warriors won last night)
-BU over Harvard
-Dartmouth over UNH
-BC over Northeastern
-Miami over Lake Superior
-Ferris State over Alaska
-Nebraska-Omaha over Minn-Duluth

We will most likely have to go on a winning streak of sorts in order to improve our objective PWR status. A win over Quinnipiac (today), as well as wins over Cornell and Union will go a long way. I'll be making the trip down to CT this afternoon, my 3rd trip to TD Bank Sports Center, and I don't want a repeat of my last two trips there.
I hope your team doesn't underestimate them. Bobcats' D was very good and it looked like they were going to win at the end of 2 periods yesterday.
 
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for the moment I think it best to save my comments for a later date...I will say this however...it's simply too bad that our hockey program continues to be incapable of recruiting average DI forwards to complement the talented kids who have come through the program over the past five years...sadly, I think the fast start to the season was partly a function of both last year's finish and the advantage of playing overseas in August...our opponents are improving; we've taken a big step back...tonite was simply embarrassing (again)...
 
Corkey Commits To Colgate

Corkey Commits To Colgate

Vernon Viper Defenceman Brett Corkey has committed to Colgate.

Here is his player profile:

http://www.hockeytube.net/2012/01/14/corkey-commits-to-colgate/
 
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for the moment I think it best to save my comments for a later date...I will say this however...it's simply too bad that our hockey program continues to be incapable of recruiting average DI forwards to complement the talented kids who have come through the program over the past five years...sadly, I think the fast start to the season was partly a function of both last year's finish and the advantage of playing overseas in August...our opponents are improving; we've taken a big step back...tonite was simply embarrassing (again)...
GreenCoat- Nice comment to motivate all those below average players that represent Colgate. Why not throw in some D and goaltending too? What about coaches? Just like you to turn negative. Were they all below average when we were winning? Didn't see you with negative comments then. ECAC has more parity than most leagues, we are simply reverting to the mean. Don't blame your the lack of superior forwards for this loss. Giving up 7 goals on 25 shots doesn't sound like a problem with all those below average forwards. If you are going to be a fair weather fan, then stick to the start of your post and "save your comments."
 
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well...where do I begin...perhaps our record over the past five years for starters and the fact that I (along with others) have mentioned the absence of second and third line scoring for five years...to blame the goaltending (which admittedly was poor) for the seven goals on 25 shots ignores some of the basics of the game. I can give you the numbers on the scoring numbers of our second and third and fourth line players, but hell, its pretty obvious...this season reminds me of the 1997-98 campaign, where, yes, I was a generous contributor to the Silver Puck Council and a committed fan of the program (I won't ask for your bona fides)...fair weather fan??? Sonny, I'll match my commitment to yours any day of the week...if, as you say, we are simply "reverting to the mean" and one accepts (quite reasonably) the superior talents of Austin Smith and Chris Wagner, we must - virtually by definition - accept the fact that our second, third and fourth lines are not contributing up to any "mean". Tell me, Hockey Eh, how do you feel after the last four games, and frankly the last five years...do you really think that Cornell considers us a major rival? Perhaps you consider it politically incorrect to provide some criticism of a program that has not won a first round game in Albany since 1990...I support the program - financially and emotionally - but I think it can be evaluated within reasonable contexts. I think DV is a good coach and a great representative for Colgate...I also feel that the program has not recovered from losing both Stan Moore and Andrew Dickson...chew on that...
 
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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Left the game after the 2nd period. Giving up a goal 15 seconds into the 2nd period AND with 15 seconds remaining in the 2nd period is a formula for disaster. Yes, DISASTER.

All of the elements from last season's ordeals were present from the start of the 2nd period. We played sloppy, we were outhustled, and we GAVE UP A SHORTHANDED GOAL for the 3RD GAME IN A ROW. That is a Cardinal Sin everyone. No team that gives up a SHG deserves to win a game.

Now I'm really concerned about the remainder of the season. Will we rebound from this slump? Will we still have a strong finish? Will we still get a 1st-round bye then make it to Atlantic City? We'll just have to wait and see. I'm not throwing in the towel yet, but the Cornell games are now looking like a big mountain to climb...
 
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We have to figure out what we "were" doing differently than what we are doing now. Something seems to have changed. We still have the talent, the team won twenty games going back to the second half of last year and the first half of this year.
All four losses on the road, it's mind boggling, is it a "road thing" ?

Back to Starr, we need some home ice, just do what we were doing !! Evin's injury (which was being kept secret) hurt us as our third stringer lacks any experience. Evin is just about ready to go now.I think this blip is temporary, go forward, don't let it get in your head. Keep the faith !!
 
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Snakebitten on the 13th, gave up 13 goals, waiting for win #13...not feeling so lucky this weekend. Am more hopeful and optimistic when we're down; still lots of league hockey left. Those one-goal losses last year were at least respectable; this weekend was just as hollow as hollow gets. Time to fix all that's broken and help Smith get that Hobey. Keep last year's playoffs in your thoughts, Raider fans...we're still a team to be reckoned with and our unpredictability is a great weapon! Don't have to be ranked to be King.

http://www.rpitv.org/productions/376-mens-hockey-vs-colgate-game-3

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/playlist/20262/2294846?title=local_sports_videos&wpid=9616

The women's team limping through another season. After 15 years, it would be nice to have a top four finish. Cornell has come out of nowhere and isn't looking back. Wish Colgate had that success.
 
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well...where do I begin...perhaps our record over the past five years for starters and the fact that I (along with others) have mentioned the absence of second and third line scoring for five years...to blame the goaltending (which admittedly was poor) for the seven goals on 25 shots ignores some of the basics of the game. I can give you the numbers on the scoring numbers of our second and third and fourth line players, but hell, its pretty obvious...this season reminds me of the 1997-98 campaign, where, yes, I was a generous contributor to the Silver Puck Council and a committed fan of the program (I won't ask for your bona fides)...fair weather fan??? Sonny, I'll match my commitment to yours any day of the week...if, as you say, we are simply "reverting to the mean" and one accepts (quite reasonably) the superior talents of Austin Smith and Chris Wagner, we must - virtually by definition - accept the fact that our second, third and fourth lines are not contributing up to any "mean". Tell me, Hockey Eh, how do you feel after the last four games, and frankly the last five years...do you really think that Cornell considers us a major rival? Perhaps you consider it politically incorrect to provide some criticism of a program that has not won a first round game in Albany since 1990...I support the program - financially and emotionally - but I think it can be evaluated within reasonable contexts. I think DV is a good coach and a great representative for Colgate...I also feel that the program has not recovered from losing both Stan Moore and Andrew Dickson...chew on that...

Time to talk some of you guys down off the ledge!!!
I took in both the Cornell and Colgate games at Q Pac this weekend and can offer the following appraisal.

-First don't shoot me but I don't think either Cornell or Colgate look legitimately to be the 9th and 12 ranked teams in the country.
-On the other hand I thought your skill level was much higher than that of Cornell. Cornell might be deeper top to bottom and bigger, but not necessarily better.
-With regard to the Q Pac game, the actual play was not reflective of the score. Colgate dominated the first period, got a couple of horrible breaks to start the second when the first goal got redirected at least twice and the second goal came as a result of a very bad bounce off the boards which turned into a perfect centering pass.

-After that I still thought Colgate was the more skilled team but the mistakes they made were "fatal" ones and the more behind they got and the harder they pushed...it lead to a few breakaways, shortie, etc.
-To your teams credit although way down on the scoreboard....they did not quit and worked hard right to the end.
-My friends at Q Pac would consider me saying this heresy, but I really thought Colgate was the better team and actually played better than Q Pac but unfortunately it was one of those nights where the score didn't reflect what happened on the ice.

As to the overall slide of your program, the comments on the decline, recruiting and the like we feel your pain at SLU. Getting top recruits to come to Canton is becoming increasingly difficult. Yes we still get good players, but the days of landing blue chippers are long gone and it is the overlooked player who blossoms that is going to be both our fates.
I was commenting to the friends I have at Q Pac who I watch the game with that going to a game at "the Bank" is about as opposite as going to a game at Starr or Appleton as one can imagine. A beautiful, modern arena, a fantastic overall complex, electronic hand held scanners to scan your ticket, an atmosphere of a minor league hockey arena. It is no wonder we have lost so many recruiting battles to Quinnipiac as just the arena and athletic budgets aside you could easily see a recruit getting stars in their eyes when touring where they would play their career.
You have a good program with a good history.....you have a very good coach.....you have a prestigious school and a gorgeous campus. To me the one thing the program seems to be sorely lacking is some sort of a modern arena. Not only for the fans but to attract and help on the recruiting front. I have no idea what the political landscape or implications are (with regard to the rink) but to me that is one element of your program that cries out for being a missing element.

In closing I think your team this year is a talented one.......not a top 12 team talent necessarily but certainly one of the better teams in the ECAC. However with the parity in the league....and teams beating each others brains out week in and week out, I don't think you can get too down on this team. They have talent, great passing, scoring and stick skills and over the long haul I think that will show. Keep the faith!!
 
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-My friends at Q Pac would consider me saying this heresy
Nah... everyone's entitled to an opinion, even if it's wrong! :D

I really thought Colgate was the better team and actually played better than Q Pac but unfortunately it was one of those nights where the score didn't reflect what happened on the ice.
Actually, I agree with Mike (critsports) here, at least through 2 periods. 'Gate skated hard and kept pressuring but, as he said, just weren't getting the bounces. I can relate to that because that's how we played against Cornell on Friday. Your team never quit, even towards the end of the 3rd when everyone knew the game was over. Sure, there was some frustration (Smith's penalty) but the effort never waned.

Colgate was certainly one of the best teams we've seen at the Bank this season. I was impressed watching them in Atlantic City back in March, and was impressed with them yesterday at Quinnipiac.
 
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Critsports and MarkEagle USA, thanks for your insightful input. Pretty valid points all the way around. If I was recruiting at Q Pac I don't think I'd ever lose a recruit. Rink is incredible and the views outside are amazing. I hope, if a new rink is ever built at Colgate that the team in charge of construction spends a lot of time at the Q PAC facility to learn from this World Class set up.

After reading your post, I feel the need to elaborate on my very brief post above. I also was at the games this weekend and completely dumbfounded by the second period of each game. Amazing that a team could virtually have the same collapse in the same period on back to back nights. Here is what I saw and my view on correcting it.

1st home cooking is definitely going to help in a big way. Why? The last 4 games on the road have been a coaching night mare. Those of you who don't put a lot of stock in having the last change haven't watched these 4 games. A strong defensive group of forwards and d men are being matched up every shift with the 1st unit. We can not change out the match up. As a result this group is taking a physical beating. They have still created scoring chances but chances are much harder to come by against the units that they are playing whose job is to keep them off the score board. The return to Starr Rink in 3 of the next 4 games is going to be an advantage for Don. He will be able to determine who plays against who.

That being said, other scorers need to step up and that may require different line combinations. The last time a line scored an five on five goal, other than the 1st group, was 7 games ago vs St. Lawrence when Firman-Mayer-Prockow had two. I don't think there is any doubt that it's time for a shuffle. My ideas are as follows.

Wilson-Wagner-Smith
Bourdon-Mayer-Firman
Prockow-Bartliff-Lidgett
Nasca-Rivellini-McNamara

I think I leave Wilson with Wagner and Smith. I think Wilson has played great. My only sense of messing with that line is to get a bigger body on the wing to counteract the physical lines they are being matched with. A player like Long might work to bring a physical presence to counteract. He has been buried the last 4 games and IMO I think he can contribute to this team in a much bigger rule.

I think you have to put Mayer and Bourdon back together. I think Bourdon could take advantage of Mayer's speed in the middle to open up space for him, Firman is a good guy on the boards who can also feed Bourdon. Bourdon and Mayer had great chemistry last year throughout the playoff run, why not try to recreate that?

I think Lidgett has big offensive updside but he needs to get out from the defensive responsibility that a center has in this league. This kid is a true 18 year old freshman, put him on a wing with a mature strong Prockow and let Bartliff work the middle of the ice in both ends. This will also give Bartliff the middle in the offensive end to get that shot of his off.

Right now McNamara-Rivellini-Nasca are the best energy guys this team has. Time to give them opportunity to produce.

Defensively we have been lost. Clean break aways and uncontested scoring opportunities have been the norm over the last 4 games. There has been no physicality on the back end other than Goulakos. The D need to concentrate on playing D first, let's win low scoring games. Let's get back to doing what got us through the first 18 games. McPherson and Goulakos are our best Defensemen right now and IMO they need to be on the ice 26-30 minutes a game. If it's possible for them to play every other shift 3 or 4 turns in a row, then they should. Let McPherson and Goulakos go every other and rotate Price-Larkin and McNamara-Sinz as needed.

As for the goalies, we need Evin back. I'm not blaming any of this on Mihalik, but he needs some time to get sharper. He has had some soft goals get by him but conversely he's also stopped his share of point blank opportunities and break aways the last couple of weeks. The two goalie system obvioulsy worked for this team early in the season and the sooner we get back to that the better off this team and both goaltenders will be. I think right now Mihalik is walking a tight rope without a net to fall into if he makes a mistake. Evin gives him that sense of security I believe.

I do think this team turns this around, I just hope they don't wait until the playoffs again to do it. I feel like this last weekend was pushing the boulder up the hill, a struggle every step of the way. But once the boulder get's over the peak it rolls and it picks up speed and gains momentum. That's where I think these guys are right now. IMO a Friday night win at Home starts the boulder rolling on it's own. Don is going to have to work his magic to get over the peak.

Just my two cents.
 
Re: Colgate 2011-12

Relax 'Gaters. Coach V needs to do two things;

1) Do not overplay what he considers his star players.
2) Play 4 lines consistenly. This will develop the other players and give them equal ownership in the team.

As far as the goaltenders are concerned, even the best ones have a gutter game now and again. You have two capable starters.

Adversity in a season makes a team better.
 
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I agree with some of the above posts. We need Evin back. He and Mihalik were giving each other healthy competition. Yes, healthy competition. Plus, when they tandem, one goaltender is pumping the other's tires. This is the equivalent of having two good running backs in football. If one is tired, you've still got a fresh set of legs to keep you going.

We may have played our way out of an at-large NCAA bid, but still, it's now how you start, it's how you finish. Remember last March. Realistically if we can earn 3 pts on home weekends and 2 pts on road weekends the rest of the way, we can snag a top-4 ECAC finish. I think right now getting a first-round bye is the main objective.

Finally, 3 pts separate 4th place from 11th. Even though we dropped to 4th place, we still have a game in hand with Union and FOUR games in hand with Quinnipiac. AND we still control our own destiny for 1st place in the conference. All is not lost; but we do need to get back on track.
 
Re: Colgate 2011-12

appreciate the intelligent and informative above posts...I still believe this is a good hockey team, and the return of Evin will be a big boost...particularly relevant is the stat regarding the LACK of scoring from lines 2, 3, 4...Bartliff looked like one of our better forwards against Q-Pac and, please, maybe this translates into something to build on...as you all know I'm a glass half empty guy, but I remain confident that DV can turn things around...I still say "stop all the TUC stuff - it's not relevant now and, frankly, never has been - but take care of business at home and get a top four position...get some scoring to take the pressure off of Austin (and Chris)...GO 'GATE...
 
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BTW, what would be great next weekend is to see two decent crowds supporting a team in need of serious support...this is where the rubber meets the road...as critical as I can sometimes be, I can think of no better time for the university to show up in decent numbers to help a team in need of emotional help...a "Lynah" atmosphere if you will...
 
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