Colgate 2009-2010

[doghok]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Not Happy about losing to Union, but the officiating was awful. They give a penalty shot to a player that wasn't the player that had the infraction.

Our top line was virtually gang tackled, without 1 call against union.

Smith was hit from behind head 1st into the boards after the play in the 1st minute of the game, usually a 5 minute call.
Mac was given a number of head shots,clutching, grabbing, and nothing called.
I just wish we had fighting in this league. It would end all the B.S.

However, Union had 5 good scoring chances and converted on 3 of them.

 

[Rainman]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Yuck. Sounds like we really got it handed to us in Schenectady (again).

Looking at the boxscore we outshoot them 32-26 and can only score once? Sounds like the Colgate team that played tonight was the team from 2006-07 and 2008-09. Only 1 goal, none on the power-play (keep in mind, we only got two man-advantages -- and we give up a SHG ).

I did listen to some of the game, and it sounded like Union buried their chances and we didn't Here's to a rebound win tomorrow, and hopefully my presence will be a good omen. Hopefully Alex Evin is okay. From the sound of things, he was playing well until the injury in the 3rd, but he did stop a penalty shot (and against Union's leading scorer) But I'm guessing Long will get the nod tomorrow because (A) he did a decent job coming into the game cold and (B) chances are Coach Vaughan doesn't want to risk any further injry to Evin.

That said, I'm sure Evin will get the nod in the Canisius game or in one of the holiday tournament games.

 

[UnionHockeyManiac]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Wouldn't be surprised if it was UnionHockeyManiac from their thread.

Sorry Rainman and anyone else I offended.

Good game tonight, guys. Even though Union was the better team tonight, I can definitely tell that Colgate is much improved. Good luck against RPI tomorrow.

 

[UnionHockeyManiac]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

I honestly think TchrBill is using reverse psychology. Yes, he's only picked us to win once (vs. Brown), but he's 2-3-1 when picking against Colgate, and even ECACHL writer is once again picking us to lose both games, and he's 2-2-1 when picking against Colgate.

I'll be at Saturday's matchup against RPI, and will post my thoughts/observations sometime Sunday. Unfortunately, I won't be at tomorrow night's Union game partially due to the fact that last year I had an air horn blown in my face by an obnoxious Union student. (Plus last year's Union students were a bit unwelcoming to the pep band -- at least this year we're playing the Dutchmen in Schenectady while their students are on break )

We are indeed on break but I was at tonight's game anyway. I made the trip.

And I am truly sorry for my behavior last year. I have nothing against Colgate fans at all (RPI and Cornell fans might be a different story). I don't even bring my air horn to the games anymore. Please don't let me be the reason for you not returning to Messa. You're always welcome in Schenectady.

 

[OsecnUC]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Looking at the boxscore we outshoot them 32-26 and can only score once? Sounds like the Colgate team that played tonight was the team from 2006-07 and 2008-09. Only 1 goal, none on the power-play (keep in mind, we only got two man-advantages -- and we give up a SHG ).

Hopefully Alex Evin is okay. From the sound of things, he was playing well until the injury in the 3rd

The box is a bit deceptive. Your team got off some shots in the 2nd, but the end of the 2nd and a good majority of the 3rd were played in your end of the ice.

I have no idea what Evin's injury is, but from the body language it looked to be a groin. Hope I'm wrong as this type of injury can be devastating for a keeper. Best of luck to him for a speedy recovery.

Colgate looks much improved from last year and should have a good run. Continued success...'till U visits Hamilton, of course .

 

[Rainman]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

And I am truly sorry for my behavior last year. I have nothing against Colgate fans at all (RPI and Cornell fans might be a different story). I don't even bring my air horn to the games anymore. Please don't let me be the reason for you not returning to Messa. You're always welcome in Schenectady.

So it *was* you that blew the air horn at me (and the Colgate band) last year!?

Well you were not the reason I did not go to last night's game, as I live 3 hours away from Schenectady and it would have been a long drive back. I did have a friend at Messa last night who said he did not run into any unwelcoming people. I'll do what I can to make the trip over there next season.

 

[ColSkate65]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

I AM NO WUS !!!!!

ColSkate, I live in SE Massachusetts now and Schenectady is a 3 hour drive for me. And I can't really afford a hotel room for a night either. That's why I won't be at tonight's game in person.

Rainman: Just kidding, just kidding. I know you aren't a wus.... Glad you'll be at tonight's game.

Tough loss last night. Let's regroup and get two points tonight boys!..

 

[doghok]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Tonight, much happier. At least the ECAC reffing was equal to both teams tonight, and thats not to say it was great.
As a team we played almost a full 60 minutes, and all lines were firing which is great to watch.
RPI fans will blame goaltending, etc, etc, etc, however, overall they were outplayed tonight.
We go into the break on a positive, and I know some of our players need the time off, as a few require healing time.
Not a bad start as we head into some down-time, and lots of positive's especially in how quickly a lot of the Frosh are adjusting.
We have much to be optomistic about moving into 2010, so we cheer you on. Merry X-mas to all, and to all a Good Night.

 

[ThePeople]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Tonight, much happier. At least the ECAC reffing was equal to both teams tonight, and thats not to say it was great.
As a team we played almost a full 60 minutes, and all lines were firing which is great to watch.
RPI fans will blame goaltending, etc, etc, etc, however, overall they were outplayed tonight.
We go into the break on a positive, and I know some of our players need the time off, as a few require healing time.
Not a bad start as we head into some down-time, and lots of positive's especially in how quickly a lot of the Frosh are adjusting.
We have much to be optomistic about moving into 2010, so we cheer you on. Merry X-mas to all, and to all a Good Night.

By no means(other than the first) did Colgate outplay RPI, and RPI equally outplayed Colgate in the 2nd as they were outplayed in the first. Majority of the 3rd was spent in Colgate's end with RPI just missing opportunities. Colgate is fast and has very skilled forwards but RPI kept up and played better down low. The chances were probably a little bit in RPI's favor but Colgate finished theirs and yes, some of that was due to poor goaltending. Your goalie made a lot of nice saves to keep you in the game, or do you not recall? You probably couldn't see from those crappy seats in the corner though so I can't blame you

 

[Avalanche33]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Nice to see Gate come away with 2 points this w/end

Still trying to figure out how J Williams received a penalty after the whistle tonight, considering the whistle came after he put the puck in the back of net, that the ref's refused. He had contol of the puck until then ?

Maybe a roughing call But "After the whistle" ?

 

[Rainman]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Whew. Just got back from the game. It was hell out there driving in moderate snowfall

The first period had its ups and downs tonight. Colgate came out of the gate peppering York with shots, but it was RPI that took advantage of a bad turnover by Colgate that put them up 1-0 early. But after that, Colgate was able to get its act together. We scored on our 1st power-play attempt, and then scored again not too long after that to make it 2-1. And that's how the score stood after 1 period of play. We outshot the Engineers 16-5 in that period and did what we could to take control of the game.

The 2nd period though -- it looked as if RPI tried to take the momentum away from us, but a bad giveaway gave Kurtis Bartliff a semi-breakaway and he cashed in to make it 3-1. Then the wheels started to fall off ... sort of. We gave up TWO power-play goals that period and RPI appeared to take control of the game. Fortunately, the score was 3-3 after 2 periods of play. At that point I was thinking "We CANNOT send another player to the sin bin. Otherwise we're toast."

But the 3rd period -- Brisebois scores early to regain the lead from Prockow and Bourdon. I'm really starting to like that line combination (all Quebec natives). They've been finding ways to score, just like the Day-McIntyre-Smith line. After that goal though, it looked like RPI was going to tie it up again. A lot of the play was in the Colgate defensive zone, and then Jason Williams takes a hitting after-the-whistle penalty after he gets angry that a "goal" he scored was waived off. (For the record, the whistle came before the puck was in the net. Though Williams thought differently.) Immediately I thought this was the penalty that would cook us like the Q-pac too many men penalty and the penalty at Cornell. But we killed it, and with 2 minutes left in regulation, McIntyre scores to "ice" the game, as I then see RPI fans heading towards the exit. But the game wasn't over yet, as RPI pulled York and controlled the puck in our own end until they took a penalty in the final minute of regulation, stopping any chances of a comeback and sealing the victory for Colgate.

It wasn't a "clean, full 60 minute" game, but we found ways to score and not lose. I'll take a win anytime, and hey -- we got a split on the road. Glad to go into the exam break with a win. We've got players banged up (Evin did not dress tonight, and Corrin didn't dress either -- he had his right arm in a sling), and the extra rest will get our key players back at 100% for the Shillelagh Tournament at the start of 2010.

Meanwhile, in other games ... Brown sweeps? Quinnipiac gets swept? Yale looks like it's over its slow start and Union is still undefeated in league play. Parity runs amok in the conference. We're holding serve in 3rd and can't afford to slip up. As doghok said, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

 

['Gate Radio]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Whew. Just got back from the game. It was hell out there driving in moderate snowfall

The first period had its ups and downs tonight. Colgate came out of the gate peppering York with shots, but it was RPI that took advantage of a bad turnover by Colgate that put them up 1-0 early. But after that, Colgate was able to get its act together. We scored on our 1st power-play attempt, and then scored again not too long after that to make it 2-1. And that's how the score stood after 1 period of play. We outshot the Engineers 16-5 in that period and did what we could to take control of the game.

The 2nd period though -- it looked as if RPI tried to take the momentum away from us, but a bad giveaway gave Kurtis Bartliff a semi-breakaway and he cashed in to make it 3-1. Then the wheels started to fall off ... sort of. We gave up TWO power-play goals that period and RPI appeared to take control of the game. Fortunately, the score was 3-3 after 2 periods of play. At that point I was thinking "We CANNOT send another player to the sin bin. Otherwise we're toast."

But the 3rd period -- Brisebois scores early to regain the lead from Prockow and Bourdon. I'm really starting to like that line combination (all Quebec natives). They've been finding ways to score, just like the Day-McIntyre-Smith line. After that goal though, it looked like RPI was going to tie it up again. A lot of the play was in the Colgate defensive zone, and then Jason Williams takes a hitting after-the-whistle penalty after he gets angry that a "goal" he scored was waived off. (For the record, the whistle came before the puck was in the net. Though Williams thought differently.) Immediately I thought this was the penalty that would cook us like the Q-pac too many men penalty and the penalty at Cornell. But we killed it, and with 2 minutes left in regulation, McIntyre scores to "ice" the game, as I then see RPI fans heading towards the exit. But the game wasn't over yet, as RPI pulled York and controlled the puck in our own end until they took a penalty in the final minute of regulation, stopping any chances of a comeback and sealing the victory for Colgate.

It wasn't a "clean, full 60 minute" game, but we found ways to score and not lose. I'll take a win anytime, and hey -- we got a split on the road. Glad to go into the exam break with a win. We've got players banged up (Evin did not dress tonight, and Corrin didn't dress either -- he had his right arm in a sling), and the extra rest will get our key players back at 100% for the Shillelagh Tournament at the start of 2010.

Meanwhile, in other games ... Brown sweeps? Quinnipiac gets swept? Yale looks like it's over its slow start and Union is still undefeated in league play. Parity runs amok in the conference. We're holding serve in 3rd and can't afford to slip up. As doghok said, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

Don't forget about the Canisius roadie on Dec. 20th, a random Sunday night game in Buffalo.

 

[sshablak]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Great Win...sweep at home,split on the road ! I think it was very very important for us to not get swept heading into the break and I think the boys now know they can beat anybody in this league.

We are very banged up and the time off is just what the Dr ordered. Nobody knew, but McIntyre was playing hurt "all" weekend !! It was great that he scored and put the game away as he takes "so much abuse" out there ! I still don't know why the ECAC "refs" let people hammer and slash and jab Mc game after game repeatedly !! Oh well, get healthy.

Getting scoring from different lines is why we're where we are. So important to have a balanced attack. The last few years all teams had to do was stop our first line....and you stopped us. Brisebois(7 goals) is taking the pressure off Mc and Austin, and Bourdon and Bartliff are filling in nicely.

Offensively we are probably the best in years, our forwards are very fast, fun to watch. As I mentioned in earlier posts, our young defenseman need to learn and mature, they now have some games under their belts and know what it takes to win. If this happens...and "If"... we could be very good in the second half. We are positioned nicely and I'll be very dissappointed if we don't see "home ice" in the playoffs.

Our PK is hurting us currently, we MUST stay out of the box until it gets better. I don't know if the reason might be our young d-men or the goaltending. We will see ! All and all I have a pretty positive outlook going forward. Wish we had some more games pre x-mas but as said before we need to heal up.

 

[CU13]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

In the game vs Union, McNamara put pressure on a Union player who was in position to score. A penalty shot was awarded. Doesn't the player who was interferred with take the shot? Or has this ruling changed?
So glad for the split this weekend. Get healthy, boys.
A very Happy Holidays to all!!!!!

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

In the game vs Union, McNamara put pressure on a Union player who was in position to score. A penalty shot was awarded. Doesn't the player who was interferred with take the shot? Or has this ruling changed?
So glad for the split this weekend. Get healthy, boys.
A very Happy Holidays to all!!!!!

There was some discussion of this last night and I think the coach gets to choose. I also think the coach can actually refuse the penalty shot and take the power play instead. I don't know what the stats show but I would guess that the penalty shot conversion rate is well below 50%.

Good luck the rest of the way except of course when Union tries to break the "Starr Curse" later this season.

 

['Gate Radio]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

There was some discussion of this last night and I think the coach gets to choose. I also think the coach can actually refuse the penalty shot and take the power play instead. I don't know what the stats show but I would guess that the penalty shot conversion rate is well below 50%.

Good luck the rest of the way except of course when Union tries to break the "Starr Curse" later this season.

Thankfully, the NCAA publishes its' rulebook online. Let's go to the specific rule.

Rule 4, Section 6
SECTION 6. a. When any infraction of the rules calls for a penalty shot
not involving a major, disqualification or misconduct penalty, the nonoffending
team shall be given the option of accepting the penalty shot
or having a minor penalty assessed to the offending player. If, however,
a major, disqualification or misconduct penalty is incurred with the
penalty shot, the shot shall be awarded and the penalty for the prescribed
infraction shall be assessed.

d. When a penalty shot is awarded under Rules 2-5-h, i and 6-34-e (illegal
entry into the game), 6-10-f (in the last two minutes of regulation
time or anytime during overtime, displacing the goal post, goalkeeper
removing the helmet and/or face mask, or deliberately displacing the
goal to prevent the puck from entering the goal at any time) or 6-16-b
(defending player falling on, holding or gathering the puck into the body
or hands when the puck in within the goal crease), the captain of the
offending team shall designate any player who is not serving a penalty
at that time to take the penalty shot. Such selection shall be reported to
the referee and cannot be changed.
When a penalty shot is awarded under Rules 6-29-e (interference) and
6-59-b (fouling from behind), the referee shall designate the player who has
been fouled as the player who shall take the penalty shot.
When a penalty shot is awarded under Rule 6-10-f (during the course of
a breakaway, a goalkeeper or player deliberately displaces the goal post or a
goalkeeper deliberately removes the helmet and/or face mask), the penalty
shot shall be taken by the player last in possession of the puck.

The bolded portion is the correct application of the rule which was not enforced on Friday night. Zajac should've taken the shot since he was the one that was being hooked by McNamara.

 

[Wholin1]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Thanks to Gate Radio for doing the research. It seems obvious that the refs blew the call and thankfully it didn't make a difference in the outcome.

 

[ColSkate65]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Great win last night. I share the optimism of many of you that we have a good chance to make some noise in the second half. The frosh have some experience now, and hopefully we can get the guys physically fit for that 12/20 Canisius game.

I like the "French Connection 2.5" line; it's great to see the scoring spread around. Bourdon is showing true grit, and Brisebois has emerged as a real threat from anywhere on the ice. Prockow seems to play well with those two linemates.

Note to GR: you were cutting out again throughout the Union game, not so much during the RPI game. Any way of checking your wiring or upgrading the equipment to improve listening to the games??...

 

['Gate Radio]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

Great win last night. I share the optimism of many of you that we have a good chance to make some noise in the second half. The frosh have some experience now, and hopefully we can get the guys physically fit for that 12/20 Canisius game.

I like the "French Connection 2.5" line; it's great to see the scoring spread around. Bourdon is showing true grit, and Brisebois has emerged as a real threat from anywhere on the ice. Prockow seems to play well with those two linemates.

Note to GR: you were cutting out again throughout the Union game, not so much during the RPI game. Any way of checking your wiring or upgrading the equipment to improve listening to the games??...

Unfortunately, I know. It's been something we've been working on trying to fix for the last few weeks. I believe it is just a matter of having our engineer give the Vector a once over to see if there are any shorts and/or built-up dirt in it. Just a matter of getting it to Oneonta and checked out. Believe me, it's as frustrating for me as it is for all of you. Hopefully it won't be a problem in the second half of the season.

 

[hockeyenthusiast]

Re: Colgate 2009-2010

It was a great win last night, and a pretty good first half if you ask me. 5-3-1 in league play right now, and I think it's the best we've been in years at this point. I'll take it. I think Brown and Yale did us all, not only themselves, a favor by keeping the Bobcats close. I mean, a Cornell win last night would have meant a tie for first place between them. All in all, hoping for a speedy recovery to all the players and a Happy Holidays to everyone.