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climate change times are a changin'

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Probably because there is no place that windy in the US.

Is The Netherlands really that extraordinarily windy though? I couldn't find any reference to their wind being particularly unique. I think it's just flat, coastal, and has a love affair with the role that windmills played in their past. They've just embraced it.
 
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Is The Netherlands really that extraordinarily windy though? I couldn't find any reference to their wind being particularly unique. I think it's just flat, coastal, and has a love affair with the role that windmills played in their past. They've just embraced it.

Given their historical impact on windmills, I would say, yes, it is that windy there. Not nearly as many areas in the world developed technology to use the wind as they have.

And I'm talking 100-300 years ago.

Other areas would be Spain and some of the Greek Islands.
 
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UMaine is trying to get huge windfarm going in the gulf of Maine. The wind blows pretty much constantly out there. They have scale models floating in penobscot bay right now. My guess is permitting is going to be a problem. The other problem is floating platforms and getting power back to mainland
 
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Speaking as a guy with unique insights into energy generation, transmission, and distribution, I'd be all for more renewables.

The problem is the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow. Here's a solar project in eastern ND and a couple wind projects in eastern ND*. Look at 30 days back and see all the "zero output" days (no sun or wind). Yes, there are days in ND where the wind doesn't blow strong enough to generate energy. Surprising, I know. ;) :D

The final, significant, hurdle to make to going fully renewable is 24/7/365 reliable supply.

We need battery technology to catch up to the generation improvements from wind and solar so we can catch it all, store it, then use it on sunless, calm days.


For now we need something to cover baseline loads on sunless, calm days. And that is fossil (coal, gas) or nuclear.


*PS -- Mr. Obama's Clean Power Plan does not give any credit to ND for those wind farms because they were installed pre-2012. So because they were in before 2012 they aren't stopping coal from being burned? :confused:
 
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I'm sure the sun doesn't always shine nor does the wind always blow in the thousands of other locations already setup to harness either. Pretty sure they account for that when building said facilities. What's next - my office building having backup generators in case of a power outage? I know crazy talk...
 
Speaking as a guy with unique insights into energy generation, transmission, and distribution, I'd be all for more renewables.

The problem is the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow. Here's a solar project in eastern ND and a couple wind projects in eastern ND*. Look at 30 days back and see all the "zero output" days (no sun or wind). Yes, there are days in ND where the wind doesn't blow strong enough to generate energy. Surprising, I know. ;) :D

The final, significant, hurdle to make to going fully renewable is 24/7/365 reliable supply.

We need battery technology to catch up to the generation improvements from wind and solar so we can catch it all, store it, then use it on sunless, calm days.


For now we need something to cover baseline loads on sunless, calm days. And that is fossil (coal, gas) or nuclear.


*PS -- Mr. Obama's Clean Power Plan does not give any credit to ND for those wind farms because they were installed pre-2012. So because they were in before 2012 they aren't stopping coal from being burned? :confused:

They aren't stopping new coal capacity from being built and burned.

Your experience isn't completely unique, btw. I've been involved in utility regulation at the state level for just over a year now.
 
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I've been involved in utility regulation at the state level for just over a year now.

I'm not a regulator. I have to deal with the decisions of regulators and try to make them work for people who need the lights on. ;)
 
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I'm sure the sun doesn't always shine nor does the wind always blow in the thousands of other locations already setup to harness either. Pretty sure they account for that when building said facilities. What's next - my office building having backup generators in case of a power outage? I know crazy talk...

Build a 1 MW solar farm.
Build a 10 MW solar farm.
Without storage, on a cloudy day what you have is a giant 0 MW solar farm.

Storage technology must advance to make renewable effective.

Storage technology will allow covering key baseline, always on, 24/7/365 loads (think: the vent keeping the premee in the neo-natal unit alive) running.

Until we have that storage technology we need something reliably there (fossil, nuclear) for those baseline loads.
 
Re: climate change times are a changin'

Speaking as a guy with unique insights into energy generation, transmission, and distribution, I'd be all for more renewables.

The problem is the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't always blow. Here's a solar project in eastern ND and a couple wind projects in eastern ND*. Look at 30 days back and see all the "zero output" days (no sun or wind). Yes, there are days in ND where the wind doesn't blow strong enough to generate energy. Surprising, I know. ;) :D

The final, significant, hurdle to make to going fully renewable is 24/7/365 reliable supply.

We need battery technology to catch up to the generation improvements from wind and solar so we can catch it all, store it, then use it on sunless, calm days.


For now we need something to cover baseline loads on sunless, calm days. And that is fossil (coal, gas) or nuclear.


*PS -- Mr. Obama's Clean Power Plan does not give any credit to ND for those wind farms because they were installed pre-2012. So because they were in before 2012 they aren't stopping coal from being burned? :confused:
Just so long as they don't absorb all the sunlight and either blot out the Sun or kill all the grass.


I'm sure the sun doesn't always shine nor does the wind always blow in the thousands of other locations already setup to harness either. Pretty sure they account for that when building said facilities. What's next - my office building having backup generators in case of a power outage? I know crazy talk...

Those locations have coal-burning backstop generators.
 
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