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climate change times are a changin'

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The Sicatoka said:
Oh, and the Sierra Club is on record saying after they take out coal, NG is next on their hit list.
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Is that some kind of shock?

Honestly.

They are out to save the planet. So step one, eliminate the plants that produce more of an immediate danger to people and the environment- which is coal. Step two, go after the ones that that produce a long term danger- the rest fossil fuel plants. And of those, thanks to the effects of fracking, they also are demonstrating an immediate danger.

If you don't realize that, you are far more naïve that you think.

Any conservative on the planet should see that very obvious game plan.
 
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alfablue said:
If you don't realize that, you are far more naïve that you think.
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Not surprised at all. Just surprised they put it on record already. And making sure people who think converting coal to NG will get them a pass are aware that they're merely moving out the fight date.

So, we have to cover baseline load without CO2 emissions and without storage technology for now. We're building nuclear plants, right? ;)
 
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Not surprised at all. Just surprised they put it on record already. And making sure people who think converting coal to NG will get them a pass are aware that they're merely moving out the fight date.

So, we have to cover baseline load without CO2 emissions and without storage technology for now. We're building nuclear plants, right? ;)
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We don't need no stinkin' baseline, let the power go on and off like it does in a 3rd world country and it will be fine
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Oh, and the Sierra Club is on record saying after they take out coal, NG is next on their hit list.
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as soon as they completely stop using all forms of plastic, they might be a little more credible....

reminds me somewhat of those anti-animal cruelty vegetarians who wear leather....
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I'm surprised this information from earlier this week hasn't shown up here yet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rs-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

Counter-claims followed.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/news/more-fake-news-in-the-mail-on-sunday/
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www.snopes.com/2017/02/08/noaa-scientists-climate-change-data/

Here, Rose offered two implications. The first was that Karl's methodology was intentionally opaque in order to hide the fact that it went against a well-known ship measurement bias. In reality, the entire methodology was spelled out in the paper, and the ship data correction Karl et al selected had previously been published. This correction, far from ignoring the differences between boat and buoy data, actually took into account the generally superior buoy data in its calculation:
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Conspicuously absent from Rose’s article was any mention of a 4 January 2017 study that critically investigated the choices referenced above, demonstrating that the record made by Karl et al tracked the buoy data and other modern sources of data more accurately than any other model. The lead author of that more recent study discussed those findings in response to the Daily Mail article:

I recently led a team of researchers that evaluated NOAA’s updates to their ocean temperature record. In a paper published last month in the journal Science Advances, we compared the old NOAA record and the new NOAA record to independent instrumentally homogenous records created from buoys, satellite radiometers, and Argo floats. Our results, as you can see in the chart below, show that the new NOAA record agrees quite well with all of these, while the old NOAA record shows much less warming.

This was due to two factors: the old NOAA record spliced together warmer ship data with colder buoy data without accounting for the offset between the two; and the new NOAA record puts more weight on higher-quality buoy records and less weight on ship records (versus the old NOAA record which treated ships and buoys equally) ...

The fact that the new NOAA record [Karl et al 2015] is effectively identical with records constructed only from higher quality instruments (buoys, satellite radiometers, and Argo floats) strongly suggests that NOAA got it right and that we have been underestimating ocean warming in recent years.
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The Sicatoka said:
Who's making the vig on the handle?
That's why the Akbar alarm is going off.
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That's one of the reasons. But I also don't think what he proposes will solve any problems. It still allows them to pollute the hell out of the environment, they just pay a marginally higher rate to do it. With regulations, it allows the government to impose punitive damages on those companies that exceed permits.
 
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http://www.businessinsider.com/huge-reservoir-melting-carbon-under-us-2017-2

By extrapolating their findings to estimate the levels underneath the whole of Earth, the team concluded there could be up to 100 trillion metric tons of carbon dioxide in the upper mantle, which will eventually make its way to the surface through volcanic eruptions.
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That's a whole-lotta "dinosaur farts".

As a result of this study, published in Earth and Planetary Science Letters, scientists now believe the amount of CO2 in the Earth's upper mantle may be up to 100 trillion metric tons.
In comparison, the US Environmental Protection Agency estimates the global carbon emission in 2011 was nearly 10 billion metric tons – a tiny amount in comparison.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...reservoir-greenhouse-gases.html#ixzz4YsHJf0Z5
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10,000,000,000 / 100,000,000,000,000 = 0.0001 or 0.01%

In the second link is a map.
This massive CO2 reserve sits under the super-volcano we call Yellowstone National Park.
Imagine even a small fissure to releasing just 1% (meaning 100x of what we put out) of what's under there.

When this rock, or its star, decide we're gone, we're gone.


One more thought: Isn't carbon, and carbon based life, what makes this rock unique? Why are we surprised at how much there is?
 
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Kepler said:
Humble or not, we'll be OK if we're just careful.
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We're at the mercy of that late-night trip to the galactic Taco Bell Sol and Gaia made a couple hundred million years ago.

They digest slowly, but when that comes back on them, we're done ... < pffffft :eek: > ... gone.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I actually know a guy who was one of the core members of that film. He's making a new doc called "Chasing Coral" that has started to take home some serious hardware.
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That's a pretty cool connection. Would be interesting to hear some of his thoughts on making the docs - not only from the science aspect but logistics.
 
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He's a brilliant guy when it comes to speaking through the lens. He has been since he was in 9th or 10th grade. Jeff was the cinematographer and director of both I believe.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
We're at the mercy of that late-night trip to the galactic Taco Bell Sol and Gaia made a couple hundred million years ago.

They digest slowly, but when that comes back on them, we're done ... < pffffft :eek: > ... gone.
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Another reason why spreading the eggs to other baskets is the only job humanity has right now that matters.

Protecting our environment here gives us more time to do that.

So basically, if an activity is shortening our time and not contributing to egg spreading, shut it down. If an economic system is not improving the expected value of the ratio of egg spreading divided by time left, shut it down.

Global defense spending is $1.2T. Global space spending is $50B. 24:1. Reverse those numbers or we as a species don't belong Out There.

I suspect cooperative species like frogs, cranes and butterflies dominate the universe's space-faring, because territorial species like primates commit suicide before they reach the stars. Darwin Award on the largest stage of all.
 
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