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Re: climate change times are a changin'
Enjoy or be terrified, preferably the latter.
http://youtu.be/0BzItCPk5j4
Enjoy or be terrified, preferably the latter.
http://youtu.be/0BzItCPk5j4
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climate change times are a changin'
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Handyman
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
*******http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sit...f/public/twin_peaks.jpg?itok=foOCGDv3********
I bet her wood believes climate change is a myth too
*******http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sit...f/public/twin_peaks.jpg?itok=foOCGDv3********
I bet her wood believes climate change is a myth too
Critical Thinker
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
I watched for 30 seconds and got bored. Terrible opening. Too Sarah McLachlan-like.
Someone will have to sum it up for me.
I watched for 30 seconds and got bored. Terrible opening. Too Sarah McLachlan-like.
Someone will have to sum it up for me.
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Priceless
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Because the most important things are always entertaining.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
I saw a show on The Weather Channel about global cooling that results from large volcanic eruptions.
I also recall reading several articles about three weeks ago about how we narrowly escaped being hit by a massive solar flare which, had it hit the earth, would have fried everything that runs on electricity.
Perhaps it might be better not to become so fixated on one problem that we lose the flexibility to adapt to other threats which are just as likely and even more serious?
I saw a show on The Weather Channel about global cooling that results from large volcanic eruptions.
I also recall reading several articles about three weeks ago about how we narrowly escaped being hit by a massive solar flare which, had it hit the earth, would have fried everything that runs on electricity.
Perhaps it might be better not to become so fixated on one problem that we lose the flexibility to adapt to other threats which are just as likely and even more serious?
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Foxton
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
Look! Look at the shiny jingling keys! Don't worry humans have nothing to do with climate change! Look at everything else that isn't a possibility. Ooh shiny aren't they? Jingle jingle!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: climate change times are a changin'
The Four Stages of Corporate Deflection and Denial:
1. This is laughable; those people are on the fringe.
2. This is scurrilous; those people are being paid to slander us!
3. This is complicated; we should study it more.
4. This is obvious; with all the bigger problems in the world, we should all worry about something else.
See also: smoking, air pollution, toxic metals, etc, etc, etc...
Even when the gig's up, every day they can slow walk it is another day of profits.
The Four Stages of Corporate Deflection and Denial:
1. This is laughable; those people are on the fringe.
2. This is scurrilous; those people are being paid to slander us!
3. This is complicated; we should study it more.
4. This is obvious; with all the bigger problems in the world, we should all worry about something else.
See also: smoking, air pollution, toxic metals, etc, etc, etc...
Even when the gig's up, every day they can slow walk it is another day of profits.
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Re: climate change times are a changin'
Heaven knows we puny Earthlings can only fix one problem at a time. It isn't like we can multi-task.
Heaven knows we puny Earthlings can only fix one problem at a time. It isn't like we can multi-task.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
So do we need someone with the power and abilities far beyond mortal man?
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Captain Caveman.
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I got nothing
Put away the bong water.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: climate change times are a changin'
There is a lot I could say about this whole post but this probably irked me more than other parts. Just as likely? We (and by that I mean respected experts and piles of evidence) are quite confident in global climate change 2/2 some level of human activity. That makes it not only likely, but currently happening. It is interesting that both CO2 driven climate change and volcanic climate change are worrisome because they create positive feedback loops that the earth cannot break for an extended period of time. They are both pretty ****ing serious. I cannot understand how you, or anyone, could be worried about volcano driven climate change while not being worried about (mainly) CO2 driven climate change. Why worry more about a future threat if there is one we can address now that we know is happening?
We have early warning systems for solar activity. Except for maybe building a Faraday cage for every electronic device on the planet, there is really not much we can do. Just sit back and enjoy the 1800s with a nice side dish of heavy civil unrest.
Worst case scenario with the volcano? We still have Bruce Willis.
There is a lot I could say about this whole post but this probably irked me more than other parts. Just as likely? We (and by that I mean respected experts and piles of evidence) are quite confident in global climate change 2/2 some level of human activity. That makes it not only likely, but currently happening. It is interesting that both CO2 driven climate change and volcanic climate change are worrisome because they create positive feedback loops that the earth cannot break for an extended period of time. They are both pretty ****ing serious. I cannot understand how you, or anyone, could be worried about volcano driven climate change while not being worried about (mainly) CO2 driven climate change. Why worry more about a future threat if there is one we can address now that we know is happening?
We have early warning systems for solar activity. Except for maybe building a Faraday cage for every electronic device on the planet, there is really not much we can do. Just sit back and enjoy the 1800s with a nice side dish of heavy civil unrest.
Worst case scenario with the volcano? We still have Bruce Willis.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
I suppose nuance is lost upon fanatics?
you completely and totally mis-stated what I actually wrote: we cannot be so obsessed with one problem that we lose sight of other, equally serious and equally likely problems. that is not dismissing one problem at all. It is merely saying that we have more than one thing to worry about. we should not make one problem even more serious in trying to solve another problem.
beyond any of these problems, i fear that an EMP attack is far more likely and far more worrisome and far more devastating.
I suppose nuance is lost upon fanatics?
you completely and totally mis-stated what I actually wrote: we cannot be so obsessed with one problem that we lose sight of other, equally serious and equally likely problems. that is not dismissing one problem at all. It is merely saying that we have more than one thing to worry about. we should not make one problem even more serious in trying to solve another problem.
beyond any of these problems, i fear that an EMP attack is far more likely and far more worrisome and far more devastating.
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Short of erecting a global Farraday Cage (which I'm sure will be cheap and easy to put in place) we are going to be at-risk every time the Sun sends a solar flare our way. We are also at-risk living in this shooting gallery we call our solar system. One rogue rock and we're all dead anyway. There isn't much we can do about that, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to worry about them.
On the other hand, there are things we can do about human activity contributing to, and speeding up, climate change. There are actually many different things we can do. Just because one of them is not the magic bullet does not mean we should not even try. If we do all of them where it makes sense (solar in the southwest, tidal energy on the coasts, wind power in places there are sufficient winds) then we can make a dent in curtailing climate change and reducing our carbon footprint. We are not helped when concern trolls come along and say "You can't solve the problem with solar so don't even bother."
But I will say: If you have an idea, by all means, tell us. Go over to kickstarter.com and get funding. You can be the next Warren Buffet.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: climate change times are a changin'
The post is bizarre but it points up several problems with trying to do anything about climate change:
1. Confusion. Whether it's willful or sincere, it is amazing how even simple ideas get so easily muddled.
2. Cui bono. A huge part of the Denial Movement is astroturfed to thwart regulation because it threatens somebody's income.
3. Partisanship. Once the right adopted "drill baby, drill" engagement with them on the merits became impossible.
The best we can do is try to clear up the confusion, but realize that the other two forces are going to be constantly using any tactics available to keep the money (or the votes) coming. This kind of political battle has happened before and it will be won only gradually as the full impact of doing nothing is realized by the electorate. That of course makes the damage far worse than it would have been if it were just a matter of science, but that's life in a plutocracy.
The post is bizarre but it points up several problems with trying to do anything about climate change:
1. Confusion. Whether it's willful or sincere, it is amazing how even simple ideas get so easily muddled.
2. Cui bono. A huge part of the Denial Movement is astroturfed to thwart regulation because it threatens somebody's income.
3. Partisanship. Once the right adopted "drill baby, drill" engagement with them on the merits became impossible.
The best we can do is try to clear up the confusion, but realize that the other two forces are going to be constantly using any tactics available to keep the money (or the votes) coming. This kind of political battle has happened before and it will be won only gradually as the full impact of doing nothing is realized by the electorate. That of course makes the damage far worse than it would have been if it were just a matter of science, but that's life in a plutocracy.
WisconsinWildcard
The plural of anecdote is not data
Re: climate change times are a changin'
This may be a fair point. I was thinking more of previous comments and trends regarding you opinion on climate change and not limiting myself to the specific comments of your post. The point I take issue with is your judgement of the severity and likelihood of certain events (and also our understanding of actions that can be taken as well as their cost/benefit). The issue of EMPs is not a new one for those science nerds out there. Neither is volcanic driven climate change. Like Priceless stated, any ideas to address those issues would be much appreciated.
What am I a fanatic of? Is it climate change? Because I thought this was the thread to talk about it in...
This may be a fair point. I was thinking more of previous comments and trends regarding you opinion on climate change and not limiting myself to the specific comments of your post. The point I take issue with is your judgement of the severity and likelihood of certain events (and also our understanding of actions that can be taken as well as their cost/benefit). The issue of EMPs is not a new one for those science nerds out there. Neither is volcanic driven climate change. Like Priceless stated, any ideas to address those issues would be much appreciated.
This is more of what I take issue with. You are basically pulling this out of your ***. Scientific societies, governments, etc are worried about both issues but it really is a pointless ****ing contest of conjecture to see which one is more "devastating." Both would suck. Our current understanding is that although an EMP strike will happen (given enough time) it will be a shortlived moment with a lot of collateral damage. Positive feedback climate change can last millennia. This also will have a lot of collateral damage. We also know climate change is happening. We have strategies (whether reasonable or not) to address these issues.
Re: climate change times are a changin'
Life is way too short (and uncertain) to spend any time, calories, or dollars worrying about things beyond our control. When designing cockpits, we specifically avoid telling the pilot anything he can't/shouldn't do anything about. Yes, the #6 fuel pump may have failed, but it's backed up by the other 5, so don't bother the pilot with that extraneous information - at best, it's useless and at worst, it distracts him from something more important. Send a message to the maintenance crew instead, because they can and should do something about it.
Life is way too short (and uncertain) to spend any time, calories, or dollars worrying about things beyond our control. When designing cockpits, we specifically avoid telling the pilot anything he can't/shouldn't do anything about. Yes, the #6 fuel pump may have failed, but it's backed up by the other 5, so don't bother the pilot with that extraneous information - at best, it's useless and at worst, it distracts him from something more important. Send a message to the maintenance crew instead, because they can and should do something about it.
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