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climate change times are a changin'

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FreshFish said:
That would work great in theory. The problem is in the practical details. The government shouldn't get any of that money; we just cannot trust them with it. Look at how the tobacco settlement has been used for all sorts of things other than smoking-related illnesses, for example, or how the social security "trust fund" has been raided to finance the federal deficit.

Especially with the current administration, which has repeatedly failed to keep its word or to follow the laws as enacted. any kind of program that you describe is off the table at least until 2017. That's a natural consequence when you say one thing and then do another, people stop trusting you.
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Can you ever not respond with a right wing talking point?
 
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Kepler said:
This will save a lot of time.
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I think we can simplify that down even farther:


Do you believe in global warming?

No: You're a right-wing wacko who'll go to any length to disprove any scientific fact ever because Rush Limbaugh proclaimed the opposite as Truth.

Yes: GREAT! THANK YOU for being a part of the civilized world. Unfortunately, with all the greedy, rich, white, male capitalists, we can't do anything about it so we'll keep waiting for coastal cities to go underwater before yelling "AH HA! TOLD YA SO!"
 
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Critical Thinker said:
I think we can simplify that down even farther:


Do you believe in global warming?

No: You're a right-wing wacko who'll go to any length to disprove any scientific fact ever because Rush Limbaugh proclaimed the opposite as Truth.

Yes: GREAT! THANK YOU for being a part of the civilized world. Unfortunately, with all the greedy, rich, white, male capitalists, we can't do anything about it so we'll keep waiting for coastal cities to go underwater before yelling "AH HA! TOLD YA SO!"
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Um, no?
 
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well, I guess we are doing our part. we own trees and cut them up for firewood (usually downed ones). holy s#!t I might be a liberal!! :)
 
GrinCDXX said:
Perhaps it wouldn't be a good idea for me to hold my breath waiting for Joe to post something about the record breaking heat that's expected in the Northwest this weekend into next week?
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I'm in Hawaii right now, where it is 86 during the day and 76 at night. A bit windy, though.
 
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huskyfan said:
well, I guess we are doing our part. we own trees and cut them up for firewood (usually downed ones). holy s#!t I might be a liberal!! :)
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Don't worry. If you're burning them, then you're putting most of that carbon right back in the atmosphere where it belongs! ;)
 
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huskyfan said:
perfect weather!
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I can see the 8th hole (par 3) of Ko Olina Golf Club out of our floor's elevator lobby window. The wind is reeking havoc with some player's tee shots.

But much better is watching the sun and moon set into the Pacific.
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
Did you watch my videos?
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I'm pretty sure they aren't your videos. ;)

Yes, and allow me my "Kepler" factor: This "science reporter" is reporting someone else's data.

He's proving that the claims are wrong using the data that is in question. What I found more interesting is that the data (second video, second half) admits that the polar data is extrapolated from the nearest stations. Extrapolated data is an oxymoron. If you extrapolated it you got it from a model; data is collected.

Here's what watching those videos made me realize (hang with me a second) ...

Imagine a knock at your door. There's an expert telling you that Jesus Christ is risen, He is truly risen, and this slick seller has the proof. He has the book and the data, the testimonials, right there, in hand, in print. He can show you. You have your doubts about the book. Some of it seems reasonable: family tree stuff, some tenants of life to try to live by. However, a 9'9" tall man named Goliath? A giant flood survived only by a big boat captained by a guy named Noah? A guy who is publicly flogged and executed and then rises from the dead and he walks out of a tomb guarded by Roman centurians? C'mon man.

But to your protestations the slick seller says, "No, it's true. I can prove it." So they return to ... the same book.

The more I think about this, the more I'm in John Stossel's mindset.

4. If the globe is warming, can America do anything about it? No. What we do now is pointless. I feel righteous riding my bike to work. That's just shallow. Even if all Americans replaced cars with bicycles, switched to fluorescent light bulbs, got solar water heaters, etc., it would have no discernible effect on the climate. China builds a new coal-fueled power plant almost every week; each one obliterates any carbon reduction from all our windmills and solar panels.

Weirdly, the only thing that's reduced America's carbon output has been our increased use of natural gas (it releases less greenhouse gas than oil and coal). But many environmentalists fight the fracking that produces it.
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Here's a stat for everyone:

Our research shows that 1,199 new coal-fired plants with a total installed capacity of 1,401,268 megawatts (MW) are being proposed globally. If all of these projects are built, it would add new coal power capacity that is almost four times the current capacity of all coal-fired plants in the United States.
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http://www.wri.org/resources/data-visualizations/proposed-coal-fired-plants-installed-capacity-mw

China and India are building nearly 3/4 of that 1.4 million MW. Put another way, they are each proposing installing new coal fired plants with more capacity than the current total US coal fired output. They are each going to add what we do now ... plus. Biking to work is a BB against that battleship.

They are doing it because electricity generation capacity is the easiest thing to correlate to a country's economic status. I really can't begrudge them that. They want to raise themselves up in the world.
 
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