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Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
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Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
My daughter was supposed to play on the team from Texas which pulled out early in July. They were scheduled to have played at the AA level by the folks here (We could not get her up there this past week and she will be attending Beantown next week). We (my wife and I) were concerned that this level would have exceeded the potential talent of the players Texas would be sending up. Not on an individual basis, but as a team. Based on my experience of watching girls’ Tier I the last 8 years we felt the Texas girls (and the tournament) would have been better served by playing at the A level. This is not based on a desire to “win” games, but on a belief that it is better to provide for the proper competition.
Our opinion is that in an environment when college scouts are present it is better to attract their attention to a competitive hockey game as opposed to trying to get them to stick around for a blow out. My thinking is:
• Scouts may watch a blow out for a while, especially if they are there to watch a specific player
• More inclined to stick around a competitive game
• Give the scouts credit for knowing if a girls talents will transfer from the A to AA level
I could be wrong on this, I would like to hear some thoughts.
That being said I have question in regards to the players and the teams participating in the Chowder Cup. I have noticed that there are a lot of players who have already been playing at the college level. I can understand a DIII player doing that, perhaps in hopes of getting a DI invite? Being new to this aspect of the sport I thought it was unusual for college players to be participating in the Chowder Cup. So what are the thoughts on this…?
My daughter was supposed to play on the team from Texas which pulled out early in July. They were scheduled to have played at the AA level by the folks here (We could not get her up there this past week and she will be attending Beantown next week). We (my wife and I) were concerned that this level would have exceeded the potential talent of the players Texas would be sending up. Not on an individual basis, but as a team. Based on my experience of watching girls’ Tier I the last 8 years we felt the Texas girls (and the tournament) would have been better served by playing at the A level. This is not based on a desire to “win” games, but on a belief that it is better to provide for the proper competition.
Our opinion is that in an environment when college scouts are present it is better to attract their attention to a competitive hockey game as opposed to trying to get them to stick around for a blow out. My thinking is:
• Scouts may watch a blow out for a while, especially if they are there to watch a specific player
• More inclined to stick around a competitive game
• Give the scouts credit for knowing if a girls talents will transfer from the A to AA level
I could be wrong on this, I would like to hear some thoughts.
That being said I have question in regards to the players and the teams participating in the Chowder Cup. I have noticed that there are a lot of players who have already been playing at the college level. I can understand a DIII player doing that, perhaps in hopes of getting a DI invite? Being new to this aspect of the sport I thought it was unusual for college players to be participating in the Chowder Cup. So what are the thoughts on this…?
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Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
Last summer when our daughter was doing the the New England area D1 college tour and going into her senior year, the coaches generally told her not to waste her (parents') money on Chowder Cup unless she just wanted to do it for fun. As a scouting event it seemed to me they didn't put a lot of stock in it. I'd say, as some have already suggested, that the current D1s played for fun, as a tradition and to socialize with their friends.
Last summer when our daughter was doing the the New England area D1 college tour and going into her senior year, the coaches generally told her not to waste her (parents') money on Chowder Cup unless she just wanted to do it for fun. As a scouting event it seemed to me they didn't put a lot of stock in it. I'd say, as some have already suggested, that the current D1s played for fun, as a tradition and to socialize with their friends.
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
Former Eagle Jill McInnis is the one who puts the Global teams together.
She is also taking a team to Prague for a Tournament next week against teams from Russia,Slovakia,& Czech Republic that has a bunch of local past & present college players that people on here I am sure are familiar with.:
Cierra Romaldo
Shannon Sisk
Amy Hollstein
Bridget Sylvester
Bridget King
Kelsey Johnson
Maggie Suprey
Jill McInnis
Meghan Fardelmann
Alex Carpenter
Heidi Seidewand
Jaclyn Hawkins
Jamie Comrie
Julia Bronson
Carley Berry
Brittany Wilson
Alexa Hingston
Brittany Murphy
Former Eagle Jill McInnis is the one who puts the Global teams together.
She is also taking a team to Prague for a Tournament next week against teams from Russia,Slovakia,& Czech Republic that has a bunch of local past & present college players that people on here I am sure are familiar with.:
Cierra Romaldo
Shannon Sisk
Amy Hollstein
Bridget Sylvester
Bridget King
Kelsey Johnson
Maggie Suprey
Jill McInnis
Meghan Fardelmann
Alex Carpenter
Heidi Seidewand
Jaclyn Hawkins
Jamie Comrie
Julia Bronson
Carley Berry
Brittany Wilson
Alexa Hingston
Brittany Murphy
OnMAA
Vort Doen.....Heija Heija Heija
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
Disagree completely. Scouts from teams my daughter is looking at recommended chowder as a good event. It gives them the chance to evaluate how she stacks up against college level players. Her play at chowder cup solidified her stock with some of the schools she has been talking to.
Disagree completely. Scouts from teams my daughter is looking at recommended chowder as a good event. It gives them the chance to evaluate how she stacks up against college level players. Her play at chowder cup solidified her stock with some of the schools she has been talking to.
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Common in many sports in the offseason. Cape Cod baseball league, pickup basketball leagues, heck, in the tourney I was running a few weeks back we had about three dozen D1-D3 girls playing offseason field hockey. It's a good way to stay in shape and keep your skills relatively sharp in the offseason.
Common in many sports in the offseason. Cape Cod baseball league, pickup basketball leagues, heck, in the tourney I was running a few weeks back we had about three dozen D1-D3 girls playing offseason field hockey. It's a good way to stay in shape and keep your skills relatively sharp in the offseason.
wihobserver
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Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
i don't think coaches from one college are allowed to talk to players from another college no matter if they are d1 or d3 players and coaches...can someone who knows the rules back this up?...i'd say that the d1 coaches passed on those d3 players before they became d3 players for a reason...i don't think there are many or any d3 players that transfer up to d1...maybe someone else can weigh in on this
i don't think coaches from one college are allowed to talk to players from another college no matter if they are d1 or d3 players and coaches...can someone who knows the rules back this up?...i'd say that the d1 coaches passed on those d3 players before they became d3 players for a reason...i don't think there are many or any d3 players that transfer up to d1...maybe someone else can weigh in on this
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
That talking can't include extending an invite to someone on another team's roster.
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
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Well I saw Maggie Joyce up close...and she is just fearsome! I was glad she was only doling out the sticks, and not taking shots with them!
(paging the Governor)
Well I saw Maggie Joyce up close...and she is just fearsome! I was glad she was only doling out the sticks, and not taking shots with them!
(paging the Governor)
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My guess would be that like others have stated that coaches can't tamper with the D3 players but there's probably nothing wrong with just talking. It's probably like when the high school players are being recruited before their senior season, the coaches can't approach them but the players most definitely can approach them.
My guess would be that like others have stated that coaches can't tamper with the D3 players but there's probably nothing wrong with just talking. It's probably like when the high school players are being recruited before their senior season, the coaches can't approach them but the players most definitely can approach them.
IceIsNice
Huh? Whoopie Pies? WHERE???
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
First, Tony and Joe, it was a great honor and privelege to finally meet you both! Keep up the fantastic posts, and the most enthusiastic support for your Eagles. I'll only begrudge you that should you ever face my daughter's team!
Second, a tip of the hat to the Boston Shamrocks a/k/a NEWHL Juniors on their achievement of making the quarterfinals of this year's tournament. Especially considering some of the turnover that the team experienced from last year, this was no small feat. I have personal knowledge from one college coach that certain of your players were clearly noticed. Congrats to them, and congrats to all!
Third and finally, I realize that the tournament is only a few years old and that it is growing and growing in popularity, but I definitely believe that team placement ought to be more carefully reviewed and determined.
I was talking with one particular college coach during one of the blowout games (not my daughters, just another random game). The coach happened to mention to me which players were being scouted. The players were on the losing end of a nearly 10 goal deficit. The coach commented regarding human nature, saying that it just doesn't matter how many scouts are in the building, it's very difficult for a player to continue to put her best effort forward when her team is getting trounced so badly.
The point being, competing against a team of world class athletes doesn't necessarily allow you the opportunity to be seen fairly and comparably. This tournament has evolved to the point where it deserves perhaps a third tier, and so I would propose the following breakdown:
AA Division.) Teams of 2/3 or more players with college / NDC or equivalent experience
A Divsion.) Teams with some college / NDC or equivalent experience, but with 2/3 or more of U-19 Experience
B Division.) All others
My daughter was fortunate to be invited to play for one of the "elite" teams, however this meant playing two preliminary round games with ridiculously lopsided results. Fortunately, we live not so far and the tournament experience did not cost us any great fortune. I felt bad for some of the other families who traveled a much greater distance, with hotel fares, etc.
Sunday is great, and the teams that make it to Sunday will most likely experience strong competition, but.... wouldn't it be great if more of the preliminary round games were equally as competitive?
On a brighter note, what fun to see so many of the hockey parents I have come to know over the years. Best of luck to you and your daughters for the upcoming season, and I already look forward to next summer's event!
First, Tony and Joe, it was a great honor and privelege to finally meet you both! Keep up the fantastic posts, and the most enthusiastic support for your Eagles. I'll only begrudge you that should you ever face my daughter's team!
Second, a tip of the hat to the Boston Shamrocks a/k/a NEWHL Juniors on their achievement of making the quarterfinals of this year's tournament. Especially considering some of the turnover that the team experienced from last year, this was no small feat. I have personal knowledge from one college coach that certain of your players were clearly noticed. Congrats to them, and congrats to all!
Third and finally, I realize that the tournament is only a few years old and that it is growing and growing in popularity, but I definitely believe that team placement ought to be more carefully reviewed and determined.
I was talking with one particular college coach during one of the blowout games (not my daughters, just another random game). The coach happened to mention to me which players were being scouted. The players were on the losing end of a nearly 10 goal deficit. The coach commented regarding human nature, saying that it just doesn't matter how many scouts are in the building, it's very difficult for a player to continue to put her best effort forward when her team is getting trounced so badly.
The point being, competing against a team of world class athletes doesn't necessarily allow you the opportunity to be seen fairly and comparably. This tournament has evolved to the point where it deserves perhaps a third tier, and so I would propose the following breakdown:
AA Division.) Teams of 2/3 or more players with college / NDC or equivalent experience
A Divsion.) Teams with some college / NDC or equivalent experience, but with 2/3 or more of U-19 Experience
B Division.) All others
My daughter was fortunate to be invited to play for one of the "elite" teams, however this meant playing two preliminary round games with ridiculously lopsided results. Fortunately, we live not so far and the tournament experience did not cost us any great fortune. I felt bad for some of the other families who traveled a much greater distance, with hotel fares, etc.
Sunday is great, and the teams that make it to Sunday will most likely experience strong competition, but.... wouldn't it be great if more of the preliminary round games were equally as competitive?
On a brighter note, what fun to see so many of the hockey parents I have come to know over the years. Best of luck to you and your daughters for the upcoming season, and I already look forward to next summer's event!
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Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
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As to the issue of lopsided scores, I would say that there needs to be an enforced rule in place where a team cannot have more than five D1 players on the team. Of course, you will likely still have some inequity, but it should bring the scores down to single digits.
They played very well for not having had so much as a practice prior, and with so many new members. There were quite a few D1 coaches watching the Shamrocks and inquiring about players. I'm sure the same can also be said of Belle Tire, who also turned heads (and bested the Shamrocks in the quarters).
As to the issue of lopsided scores, I would say that there needs to be an enforced rule in place where a team cannot have more than five D1 players on the team. Of course, you will likely still have some inequity, but it should bring the scores down to single digits.
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One additional bit of good news was that, in going to Canton, I inadvertently discovered that just a few minutes away was the first Popeye's Fried Chicken restaurant I've seen in months.
All in all, I agree that $10 is a bit high, considering that all season you can see better hockey for free at the various local arenas.
One additional bit of good news was that, in going to Canton, I inadvertently discovered that just a few minutes away was the first Popeye's Fried Chicken restaurant I've seen in months.
All in all, I agree that $10 is a bit high, considering that all season you can see better hockey for free at the various local arenas.
UCONN FAN
New member
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Hux,I am surprised! You want to weaken the top teams to keep the scores closer???? NO MORE THAN 5 DI PLAYERS? If you implement and actually enforce that rule it will have an adverse effect on this tournament. Most (if not all) of the upper teams had at least 5 DI players or more across the board. I think some of the teams entered the AA division should reconsider.
Hux,I am surprised! You want to weaken the top teams to keep the scores closer???? NO MORE THAN 5 DI PLAYERS? If you implement and actually enforce that rule it will have an adverse effect on this tournament. Most (if not all) of the upper teams had at least 5 DI players or more across the board. I think some of the teams entered the AA division should reconsider.
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
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I no longer have my program, but I recall seeing in the rules section that there were to be no more than (I believe) five college players on a team. In most cases I would say the rosters held to that. However, there were others that did not. Overall, I think it would go a long way to bringing more parity to play. Obviously there also needs to be a better job done by some of the teams entering at being realistic regarding their level of play.
I no longer have my program, but I recall seeing in the rules section that there were to be no more than (I believe) five college players on a team. In most cases I would say the rosters held to that. However, there were others that did not. Overall, I think it would go a long way to bringing more parity to play. Obviously there also needs to be a better job done by some of the teams entering at being realistic regarding their level of play.
rinkrat890890
New member
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
Thats exactly why I think there should be 3 divisions. I don't think as you said in another thread that 3 divisions would take up more time. There are plenty of rinks and there would still be the same amount of games. The structure would just take longer to schedule. They are getting paid a lot of money all the way around, so it shouldn't be too hard to put a little more effort into determining which teams should go where. It would make for a better tournament too!
Thats exactly why I think there should be 3 divisions. I don't think as you said in another thread that 3 divisions would take up more time. There are plenty of rinks and there would still be the same amount of games. The structure would just take longer to schedule. They are getting paid a lot of money all the way around, so it shouldn't be too hard to put a little more effort into determining which teams should go where. It would make for a better tournament too!
Hockeydad4two
Registered User
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I would agree with you except that in most tournaments that I've been to, there are those teams that have either an unrealistic opinion of their talent or have no clue what they are getting into. I'm not sure how an organizer is suppose to deal with them especially when most teams are only together for a short (if at all) period before the tournament starts.
I would agree with you except that in most tournaments that I've been to, there are those teams that have either an unrealistic opinion of their talent or have no clue what they are getting into. I'm not sure how an organizer is suppose to deal with them especially when most teams are only together for a short (if at all) period before the tournament starts.
UCONN FAN
New member
Re: Chowder Cup: Any decent prospects?
We may be talking symantics here. Players who will be D1 players in 2 months? Do they count as D1 players for this tournament? For this discussion we will count them as D1 players. Lets look at some of the rosters: Team Celine had 1 BC, 2 Harvard, 3 enrolling next month (total of 6). Global Selects all but 2 players are D1 (total17). NAHA had (total 7). Polar bears 100% D1 (total 15). Assabet 1 current 6 entering (total 7). The problem isn't the teams at the top its the team at the bottom. How many of the teams that got waxed had D1 caliber talent? Look at the Yankee Conf. stars. They gave the Global Selects all they could handle with 4 current D1 players.
To address the 3rd tier again I say it doesn't make sense. There are plenty of rinks, but why do it? Adding a 3rd tier would water down the tournament even more. Which division do you send to the lone rink on Sunday? If you send the 3rd divison it will not draw well. College coaches would pefer to stay in one rink. To add a third division on Sunday in one facility would add 3 to 4 additional hours which i'm sure the coaches, staff, refs, parents and ect do not want.
Teams entering into these tournaments at the highest level and then getting killed is a problem at most tournaments. It happens at the Polar bear and even Nationals. I think the coaches and programs entering teams in this tournament in AA division should do so expecting to play D1 caliber teams.
We may be talking symantics here. Players who will be D1 players in 2 months? Do they count as D1 players for this tournament? For this discussion we will count them as D1 players. Lets look at some of the rosters: Team Celine had 1 BC, 2 Harvard, 3 enrolling next month (total of 6). Global Selects all but 2 players are D1 (total17). NAHA had (total 7). Polar bears 100% D1 (total 15). Assabet 1 current 6 entering (total 7). The problem isn't the teams at the top its the team at the bottom. How many of the teams that got waxed had D1 caliber talent? Look at the Yankee Conf. stars. They gave the Global Selects all they could handle with 4 current D1 players.
To address the 3rd tier again I say it doesn't make sense. There are plenty of rinks, but why do it? Adding a 3rd tier would water down the tournament even more. Which division do you send to the lone rink on Sunday? If you send the 3rd divison it will not draw well. College coaches would pefer to stay in one rink. To add a third division on Sunday in one facility would add 3 to 4 additional hours which i'm sure the coaches, staff, refs, parents and ect do not want.
Teams entering into these tournaments at the highest level and then getting killed is a problem at most tournaments. It happens at the Polar bear and even Nationals. I think the coaches and programs entering teams in this tournament in AA division should do so expecting to play D1 caliber teams.