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manurespreader said:
Lukas Silinger to ASU. Tell me again how the big schools are not recruiting from the small schools?
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All it takes is one coach from a big school to contact a family advisor of a player at the small schools. The advisor mentions to the athlete, "hey, school x is interested in you, all you have to do is enter the portal" and boom, done.

Small schools could very easily just become farm teams for the big schools with the portal.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
All it takes is one coach from a big school to contact a family advisor of a player at the small schools. The advisor mentions to the athlete, "hey, school x is interested in you, all you have to do is enter the portal" and boom, done.

Small schools are now farm teams for the big schools with the portal.
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Sadly, I FYPd.

I have to admit I was stunned (and not in a good way) when I saw his name show up on the portal board. Bemidji has a good coach and a good program that puts kids in the show. And then this happens.
 
TalonsUpPuckDown said:
Sadly, I FYPd.

I have to admit I was stunned (and not in a good way) when I saw his name show up on the portal board. Bemidji has a good coach and a good program that puts kids in the show. And then this happens.
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His parents do have a place in Arizona, so that may have played a little bit of a role in it as well. Still, as a Beaver fan, I don't have to be happy about it.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
His parents do have a place in Arizona, so that may have played a little bit of a role in it as well. Still, as a Beaver fan, I don't have to be happy about it.
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When Loughran transferred, a lot of NMU fans kept tabs on him and lamented him not playing for Northern anymore. I personally felt that if he didn't want to be there, the team was probably better off without him. Sometimes it's addition by subtraction.

Edit - also, Arizona is awesome. We went twice this past year to visit my in-laws. Unfortunately, both weekends were when ASU was out of town. I don't blame him at all. Hoping to check out their new rink next season.
 
Can someone who knows something please straighten me out. The WCHA fails because of A. high travel costs and B, low quality play from the bottom teams who dragged everyone else down. This made it so that teams like Bg, who deserved to be in the tournament, didn't get in.
so most of the teams bailed.
Now we have all these new teams starting up and wanting a league and are we really going back into high travel costs, lousy buildings and low quality play all over again?
if so, why, and if not, then what happens next?
I'm not thrilled about going to Sioux Falls or anywhere else in South Dakota to tell the truth. St Louis is a long ways too, and so am I missing something?
 
manurespreader said:
Can someone who knows something please straighten me out. The WCHA fails because of A. high travel costs and B, low quality play from the bottom teams who dragged everyone else down. This made it so that teams like Bg, who deserved to be in the tournament, didn't get in.
so most of the teams bailed.
Now we have all these new teams starting up and wanting a league and are we really going back into high travel costs, lousy buildings and low quality play all over again?
if so, why, and if not, then what happens next?
I'm not thrilled about going to Sioux Falls or anywhere else in South Dakota to tell the truth. St Louis is a long ways too, and so am I missing something?
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Is this in response to news I’ve not seen or are you just yelling at a cloud?
 
manurespreader said:
Can someone who knows something please straighten me out. The WCHA fails because of A. high travel costs and B, low quality play from the bottom teams who dragged everyone else down. This made it so that teams like Bg, who deserved to be in the tournament, didn't get in.
so most of the teams bailed.
Now we have all these new teams starting up and wanting a league and are we really going back into high travel costs, lousy buildings and low quality play all over again?
if so, why, and if not, then what happens next?
I'm not thrilled about going to Sioux Falls or anywhere else in South Dakota to tell the truth. St Louis is a long ways too, and so am I missing something?
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I don't know anything. But the official line was that the breakaway programs wanted to be in a conference of "like minded schools." I'd read that to mean the UA[F|A|H] schools couldn't (or wouldn't) make the investment necessary to make the vision necessary. I have noticed a huge improvement in the quality of their videos this year (Flohockey issues aside). The fact that the Alaska/Alabama were geographic outliers let to a lot of speculation about travel.

As I see it, the schools that now make up the CCHA are hockey schools. The hockey program is the crown jewel of the school's athletics. Ferris has recent national championships in football and basketball, but I think they're willing to invest in ice hockey. I didn't get that impression from the UA* schools. I've heard rumors that Lucia has been in contact with Augustana. But I don't know if their athletic program is going to pivot to being a "hockey" school.

As for me, I like the current line up- though I'd like to see a little more competition up top (and this is from a Mankato alum). We should put 2 teams in the tournament each year, with a decent shot at 3. So I'm hoping things stay the way they are for a while, regardless of what happens with Augustana, Lindenwood, and whoever decides to start playing hockey in the midwest.

The only thing that I think could upset things is if Miami decides they want out of the NCHC.
 
Stop listening to internet rumors about Lindenwood & Augustana being destined for the CCHA. Most of us in this thread understand exactly what you are talking about, and logically, so do the people who formed the conference.

Edit - and of course Lucia will talk to both Auggie & Lindenwood. That's his job. "Talking to" can be as simple as said school asking what the requirements are for joining (i.e. a 2/3 vote) & him responding. How else can he judge their commitment? Doesn't mean they will be joining.
 
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As a BG fan, I would be thrilled to see Miami join the fold in the CCHA.

I'm genuinely curious what fans of other CCHA schools would think of that idea - assuming there would be another school joining with them so the league would end up at an even 10 teams.
 
mbenecke said:
As a BG fan, I would be thrilled to see Miami join the fold in the CCHA.

I'm genuinely curious what fans of other CCHA schools would think of that idea - assuming there would be another school joining with them so the league would end up at an even 10 teams.
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They are, I dunno, slightly better than Augustana for any schools not named BG or Ferris Wheel. The advantages being a full DI athletic department and history.
 
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manurespreader said:
Can someone who knows something please straighten me out. The WCHA fails because of A. high travel costs and B, low quality play from the bottom teams who dragged everyone else down. This made it so that teams like Bg, who deserved to be in the tournament, didn't get in.
so most of the teams bailed.
Now we have all these new teams starting up and wanting a league and are we really going back into high travel costs, lousy buildings and low quality play all over again?
if so, why, and if not, then what happens next?
I'm not thrilled about going to Sioux Falls or anywhere else in South Dakota to tell the truth. St Louis is a long ways too, and so am I missing something?
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Which are the lousy buildings? Augustana will have a good barn and Lindenwood will host an NCAA Regional in theirs. St. Thomas is also wanting to building a new one of their own.
 
manurespreader said:
Can someone who knows something please straighten me out. The WCHA fails because of A. high travel costs and B, low quality play from the bottom teams who dragged everyone else down. This made it so that teams like Bg, who deserved to be in the tournament, didn't get in.
so most of the teams bailed.
Now we have all these new teams starting up and wanting a league and are we really going back into high travel costs, lousy buildings and low quality play all over again?
if so, why, and if not, then what happens next?
I'm not thrilled about going to Sioux Falls or anywhere else in South Dakota to tell the truth. St Louis is a long ways too, and so am I missing something?
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The travel was secondary. 3 programs who couldn't commit to playing for more than one season at a time were a problem.
 
There has been a lot of talk about expansion/realignment and folks across the college hockey spectrum have volunteered various teams to join the CCHA. I've posted this analysis in various threads and forums, thought I'd post it in it's entirety for reference purposes.

Mileage Between Current CCHA League Members and Rumored League Members [TABLE="width: 240"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl68"]School[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Lindenwood[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Augustana[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Miami[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]BSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"]755[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]360[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70"]908[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]BGSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]490[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]825[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]172[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]FSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]515[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]804[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]348[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]LSSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]750[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]772[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]569[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]MNSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]500[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]160[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]714[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]MTU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]700[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]600[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]701[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]NMU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"]675[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"]625[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69"]680[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl67"]UST[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"]510[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"]240[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69"]688[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Driving Time Between Current CCHA League Members and Rumored League Members [TABLE="width: 240"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl68"]School[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Lindenwood[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Augustana[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]Miami[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]BSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"]11.75[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]5.75[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70"]14.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]BGSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]7.25[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]12.50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]2.75[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]FSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]7.75[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]12.50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]6.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]LSSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]11.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]12.25[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]8.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]MNSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]8.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]2.50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]11.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]MTU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]10.75[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]9.75[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]11.25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66"]NMU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]10.50[/TD]
[TD="class: xl76"]10.25[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]10.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl67"]UST[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"]8.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"]4.00[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69"]10.50[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

In the current incarnation of the CCHA, the teams with the shortest and longest average travel are: [TABLE="width: 240"]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl66, bgcolor: #d9d9d9"] [/TD]
[TD="class: xl73"]Team[/TD]
[TD="class: xl71"]Time[/TD]
[TD="class: xl72"]Miles[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl76"]Shortest Avg Travel[/TD]
[TD="class: xl74"]NMU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl70"]5:43[/TD]
[TD="class: xl69"]344[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: xl77"]Longest Avg Travel[/TD]
[TD="class: xl75"]BGSU[/TD]
[TD="class: xl68"]8:39[/TD]
[TD="class: xl67"]571[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Not surprised that either BG or Bemidji would face the longest travel but I was surprised Northern is closest to the geographic center.

Another fun fact: travel between Bemidji and Oxford is about the same as Cornell to Georgia Tech. I didn't realize how much of a geographic outlier Miami State would be until I plugged in the numbers. Tech, Northern, and the Lakers regularly made this trip so I wouldn't think it would be too much of an issue but for the MN schools it's a haul.
 
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