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Cars: 2015

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St. Clown said:
And Mazda has also found a way to create a gasoline-based compression ignition system. It uses a spark for certain instances, but when cruising down the road without great strain on the engine, it's a compression ignition in a gasoline engine.
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The big problem with that engine isn't that engine. It's a new Toyota engine that has no interesting tech on it (port and direct injection, intake VCT, and EGR- nothing really new.), yet it is as efficient and clean as Mazda's HCCI. Oh, and it's more "Skyactive" than Mazda, too- since it's more about the whole powertrain.

It's making all the OEM's, including part of Toyota, look pretty stupid. Or it reminds everyone that there's still more in the base powertrain that they all think.
 
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On Wednesday, Ford dropped a bombshell during its Q1 earnings call: it's going to stop selling almost all its cars in the US. The Mustang will remain on sale, as will the Focus Active, a model that won't debut until next year. But kiss goodbye to the Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, Taurus, and C-MAX. Instead, the company will focus almost exclusively on SUVs, crossovers, and trucks in the US domestic market.
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https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/0...all-us-car-sales-focusing-on-suvs-and-trucks/
 
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So looking at the list of Ford's assembly plants, they're essentially axing the imported models only. And the vehicles made at the Wayne assembly plants (which will likely be brought offline and retooled for the new crossover).

Fusion is from Germany/Mexico
Focus is Vietman, Thailand, Argentina
Fiesta is Mexico, Thailand, India
Taurus is Chicago but shares the plant with Explorer.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I can't help but think this is short-term planning with long-term pain. Gas prices will not stay this low forever. Eventually the SUV will die in America.
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I think it's more likely that Ford is looking at those electric big rigs being designed, and using that as the basis for eschewing most small cars. Ford likely thinks they can get the range people want before fuel prices move from their relative pricing trough.
 
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St. Clown said:
I think it's more likely that Ford is looking at those electric big rigs being designed, and using that as the basis for eschewing most small cars. Ford likely thinks they can get the range people want before fuel prices move from their relative pricing trough.
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Never thought of that. Excellent point. I only worry about longevity of batteries, scarcity and cost of RMs, etc.
 
Twitch Boy said:
True. You're not going to see Awesome Bill obliterating speed records at Talladega, or anything like Group B rally ever again.

The big gains are being made in tires and aero right now, and F1 has that covered.

ETA: Add adjustable suspension to the list.
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Gran Turismo and Red Bull proved with the X2010 that there could be a car built that no one would be able to drive safely.

But yeah we’ll never see the insanity of racing in the late 70’s, early 80’s again.
 
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St. Clown said:
I think it's more likely that Ford is looking at those electric big rigs being designed, and using that as the basis for eschewing most small cars. Ford likely thinks they can get the range people want before fuel prices move from their relative pricing trough.
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Here's another issue with Ford's car sales:

Per Wikipedia (grain of salt where necessary):

2017 Fusion sales, while still over 200k, were down about 21% from 2016

Only ~32,000 Tauruses were sold in 2017, roughly half of what they sold 5 years ago.

2017 Focus sales are down a full 1/3 from their 2012 sales totals (from just over 246k in '12 to 158K last year).

Fiestas? Glad you asked. From over 64,000 sold in 2015 to 46,000 last year, a nearly 30% drop in just two years.
 
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I have started thinking about a new car and I am absolutely dreading it. What was it, Saturn, that had the no-haggling policy? Why can't they all do that? I think I keep my cars for 120k miles just so I don't have to go through the buying process.

I have a 2009 Sentra. Thinking about Mazda 3, Nissan Altima, or maybe Subaru Impreza. Had Chevys most of my life, but got a Nissan last time because my hockey gear did not fit in the trunk of the Chevy that I liked. I've been happy with the Nissan, but have not heard good things about the newer Sentras.
 
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jen said:
I have started thinking about a new car and I am absolutely dreading it. What was it, Saturn, that had the no-haggling policy? Why can't they all do that? I think I keep my cars for 120k miles just so I don't have to go through the buying process.

I have a 2009 Sentra. Thinking about Mazda 3, Nissan Altima, or maybe Subaru Impreza. Had Chevys most of my life, but got a Nissan last time because my hockey gear did not fit in the trunk of the Chevy that I liked. I've been happy with the Nissan, but have not heard good things about the newer Sentras.
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Some dealerships do no-haggling. The dealership I went to a year ago for my car basically had that. "We deal with maneuvering in the hundreds, maybe, definitely not the thousands." And they had good prices to begin with, so it made sense. From what I had found, my car price was already about 2K lower than normal market price for the vehicle, no matter the vehicle, on average.
 
jen said:
I have started thinking about a new car and I am absolutely dreading it. What was it, Saturn, that had the no-haggling policy? Why can't they all do that? I think I keep my cars for 120k miles just so I don't have to go through the buying process.

I have a 2009 Sentra. Thinking about Mazda 3, Nissan Altima, or maybe Subaru Impreza. Had Chevys most of my life, but got a Nissan last time because my hockey gear did not fit in the trunk of the Chevy that I liked. I've been happy with the Nissan, but have not heard good things about the newer Sentras.
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Scion had the no-haggling. Large reason why my Dad initially got into them, and my family ended up having 4 over the course of 6 years (Dad x2, Mom and Sister, and I kept the first one my Dad owned).

There is a guy who offers a car buying service near me in Florida, where he does the haggling for a small fee. Pretty neat.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Some dealerships do no-haggling. The dealership I went to a year ago for my car basically had that. "We deal with maneuvering in the hundreds, maybe, definitely not the thousands." And they had good prices to begin with, so it made sense. From what I had found, my car price was already about 2K lower than normal market price for the vehicle, no matter the vehicle, on average.
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Same. Bought the Civic from a no-haggle dealership. The cost was a few hundred over list price online. They were more than willing to help with anything I wanted prior to purchase - I drove 3 different models of Honda, they never called me (only communication via email since I work nights and sleep all day), let me take the model I was likely going to buy home for the weekend for a prolonged test drive.
 
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bostonewe said:
Same. Bought the Civic from a no-haggle dealership. The cost was a few hundred over list price online. They were more than willing to help with anything I wanted prior to purchase - I drove 3 different models of Honda, they never called me (only communication via email since I work nights and sleep all day), let me take the model I was likely going to buy home for the weekend for a prolonged test drive.
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This, too. The dealership I went to had a "Drive 200 miles, can return with no questions asked" policy. Dealership was about 40 miles away. Asked if I wanted a test drive, I declined, said I would just drive it home (good mix of highway/city roads) and if I didn't like it, I'd just drive back. :)
 
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The haggling tactic I've heard:

Figure out exactly what you want, make, model, trim level, color, options, every detail.

Then call every dealership in the area that sells it. Inform them of all the details of the car you want. Tell them you're calling X other dealerships as well, and whoever can quote you the lowest price out the door by COB Friday gets the sale.

Most dealerships will play ball.
 
Twitch Boy said:
The haggling tactic I've heard:

Figure out exactly what you want, make, model, trim level, color, options, every detail.

Then call every dealership in the area that sells it. Inform them of all the details of the car you want. Tell them you're calling X other dealerships as well, and whoever can quote you the lowest price out the door by COB Friday gets the sale.

Most dealerships will play ball.
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I have a buddy who was a salesman at a no-haggle dealership selling Mazdas for a while. I was surprised when he told me how many cars he sold after straight-up telling people that they could probably get the same car cheaper somewhere else. He's a REALLY good salesman though. He sells Bentleys and Maseratis now. Sold a Ferrari to Boogaard. Still doesn't know how he fit.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
The haggling tactic I've heard:

Figure out exactly what you want, make, model, trim level, color, options, every detail.

Then call every dealership in the area that sells it. Inform them of all the details of the car you want. Tell them you're calling X other dealerships as well, and whoever can quote you the lowest price out the door by COB Friday gets the sale.

Most dealerships will play ball.
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They'll still try to f-ck you during negotiations, though.
 
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