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Campaign XXVI: The Drumpf World Order

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1. Telling dumb people they are dumb isn't going to make them smart
-And a lot of intelligent people voted for Trump my parents included. Neither are racist, misogynist nor homophobic
2. Educate and provide information
-The best way to overcome the "dumb" is pump the airwaves full of information. I hated, hated, hated how much time was spent on pu$$y-gate because HRC would win in a landslide on policy alone.
3. While I agree that the HRC campaign messed up in several ways ("deplorables" hurt more than I think anyone thought it would) it's the height of hypocrisy for Trumpsters to claim liberals are the only ones that do it.
-There is no ivory tower folks. Visit any site that discusses politics that strays from the mostly civil tone this place takes and there are just as many Trumpsters calling Hillsters idiots as the reverse.

I wasn't as vocal as Scooby but I had bad feelings about this election for months because of the media, because of the furor, because as much as I enjoyed Bill's tenure Bush/Clinton resonated. The GOP was smart enough to reject Jeb - the Dems didn't follow suit.
 
bigblue_dl said:
Some of our parents already don't have insurance they can afford.
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That's not going to change when Obamacare goes away. The insurance companies are going to keep charging as much as they can, I don't see why they would drop rates.

The costs of medical care have been rising faster than inflation for decades. Eventually, the majority of people were going to be priced out of the unlimited medical care market, regardless of the existence of Obamacare.
 
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btw I don't think Trump wants anything to with the religious right the man can't even cite a single Bible passage, but my biggest fear is that like Reagan he surrounds himself with a bunch of crooks. He truly is a fish out of water that could very well allow a seriously evil set of advisers have their way and at that point all bets are off. Here's praying for something better.
 
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If they want to privatize Medicare (and Social Security for that matter) they should just figure out the net current value of everyone's contributions and pay that out to everybody and cancel the employee potion of the FICA tax and only keep the employer potion of FICA tax until the special bonds used to fund the one-time payments are paid off.

None of this voucher nonsense. You want to kill these programs, fine. Just give me back my **** money.
 
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Almington said:
That's not going to change when Obamacare goes away. The insurance companies are going to keep charging as much as they can, I don't see why they would drop rates.

The costs of medical care have been rising faster than inflation for decades. Eventually, the majority of people were going to be priced out of the unlimited medical care market, regardless of the existence of Obamacare.
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I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?
 
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rufus said:
Immigration and equality issues aside, I'd be far more comfortable with Trump making policy than I would with Ryan. That guy wants to destroy every social safety net this country has, and give all that money to the rich.
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Paul Ryan is one of those clowns that believe teachers are money grubbers and people making 250k are oppressed by taxes. He and his devil spawn in WI like Scott Walker are a cancer. They dont even pretend to care about anyone lower than upper Middle Class.

You know what really makes me sick...how many of these jerkoffs spray painting Swastikas and preaching Nazi Like hate probably revere their relatives that fought in WWII. They dont even get that their granparents are probably rolling over in their graves.
 
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Kepler said:
I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?
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That's the thing. Anecdotal examples of how someone's mother's health care costs went up last year appeal to emotion but contribute nothing to the real analysis. There is a reason Clinton I took on the challenge: health care cost were rising at an annual rate that was making health care unaffordable to the average worker. Hospital administrators and trustees saw this and were preparing for a change they knew had to come before Obamacare came along.
 
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5mn_Major said:
So if private insurance didn't want to cover the bottom 30%...why will it want to cover the elderly? Health insurance makes uuge money by cherry picking the healthy. Either the companies will walk away or insurance hikes would break every last elderly while melting down and flushing every penny in their bank account down the toilet.
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Or, once Medicare is privatized, and even if the elderly are given the equivalent of what it would cost to serve them as vouchers to buy private insurance, insurance companies make their profits by denying services to people. So the elderly will have needed procedures, which their new private insurance will refuse to cover, so they either go without needed procedures/medicines, or pay for them out of their own pocket.

Neither is a good option, and neither will help them as much as Medicare coverage does.
 
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do we spend something like 90% of health care dollars on the first month and last 6 months of life?

without government mandated coverage for old people we would inadvertently control and correct the social security problem ;)
 
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mookie1995 said:
do we spend something like 90% of health care dollars on the first month and last 6 months of life?

without government mandated coverage for old people we would inadvertently control and correct the social security problem ;)
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But we can't address the latter with advance directives, mookie, because of DEATH SQUADS! Sarah says it is so.
 
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I remember. Obamacare was supposed to introduce competition between insurance companies for millions of people put on the rolls. It also was supposed to help prevent the epidemic of people having to declare bankruptcy just because they got sick.

Instead the competition decreased. The insurance companies don't want those people. But, hey, if they're going to get them they're going to charge for them.

How does privatizing Medicare any different? It's not. It's so interesting that the most successful health care plan in the United States is the one that the Republicans want to "fix". If that doesn't tell people something, what will? I have that answer as well. NOTHING.
 
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Kepler said:
I wonder how Trump voters will feel when they kill Obamacare and the cost of medical care continues to rise?
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Somehow I don't think that finding a new random boogeyman to pin the problems on will give them any trouble.
Health care seems to be one of those things, like interstate highways and military forces, where any half-measure is likely to be worse than all-or-nothing (privatize or go single-payer). When you partially privatize with all kinds of regulations and decrees and rules about who needs to be covered for what, costs are obviously going to skyrocket to cover those costs. Either give us our money back, or tax everyone, FOR everyone. Do one or the other. It looks like Trump is going to go along with Obama's 'death by a thousand nibbles' approach instead.
I for one see a clear societal obligation to cover for the people that really need help, so: single-payer.
 
Handyman said:
That editor is a moron. I get what he is saying...but you dont combat a racist by being a racist.
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Which was pretty much the crux of the article. There's been this movement from the MSM that the Dems need to court these "working class whites" that Trump "won" and a lot of liberals are basically saying "wait a tick."
 
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Yep. Simplest solution is Medicare for all, and increase taxes by some amount, but less than what it would cost for them to buy private insurance. In the long run, it becomes cheaper per patient because now you have a pool of millions of healthy individuals paying in and using fewer(comparitively) services, instead of your pool of patients being the oldest and sickest of society.
 
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At the very least, we should learn from this election. Here's what I come away with.

Those who voted for Trump are deplorable.
Those who consider themselves Republicans are vile and loathsome.
Gopher fans are somewhere beneath the above.
 
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rufus said:
And from the second paragraph in that article:

Funded a police force. Homes for their workers. A community as it were. Because these business owners realized that they were a community, their fortunes rose and fell with teach other. Together.

That's the huge lesson that today's corporatist America has forgotten, or just ignores outright. Now it's every man out for themselves, and grab yourself the biggest share of the pie you can. Everyone else can, in the words of Donald Trump, "go fuk themselves".
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I'm living in a ghost town created in such a way by a bunch of Boston investors to mine copper. Life really, really, sucked for those people stuck in paternalistic company towns. Something like 1/30 died on the job. Those injured too severely to work were given 30 days to move out of the company's house. They were essentially a slave labor force. My great-grandfather moved to Detroit to work for Mr. Ford and thought he was in paradise after hauling rock for 10 years from the age of 12.
The police forces, schools, stores, libraries, churches, sports teams, parks, EVERYTHING reinforced the company's position of power. There were a lot of deaths in strikes a hundred years ago before the gov't took back some of that power by requiring workers comp, overtime, etc. and the unions gained some negotiating traction in exchange for giving up communist agitation. (everywhere except on the Iron Range ;) )
The capitalists and regulators have been at odds ever since, and it's worked pretty well for the most part.
 
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burd said:
At the very least, we should learn from this election. Here's what I come away with.

Those who voted for Trump are deplorable.
Those who consider themselves Republicans are vile and loathsome.
Gopher fans are somewhere beneath the above.
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Methinks thou...
 
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