Campaign 2016 - Primary season! Duck (questions) season!

[ScoobyDoo]

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Rover Proposal #3,456,775 from the Manifesto.

Congress should decide how much money they want to spend on infrastructure over the next 5 years and adjust the gas tax accordingly. With gas process being below 2 bucks a gallon, this is an easy tax to get away with. Also with cars being ever more efficient, people aren't using as much gas anyway. Hypothetically if Congress didn't want to spend anything they could cut the tax but mostly likely they can do their freakin jobs for once, decide how much spending is needed, and plan accordingly. If they come up short an appropriation can be made. If the tax raises more than needed send that money back to the Treasury.

Republican Filibuster. Your idea goes nowhere. Next.

 

[Rover]

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so you saying BHO did nothing from 2008-2011?!?!?

I was limiting the discussion for when the Goopers took over Congress. For a guy who works for one of the top financial institutions in the world, you sure have trouble keeping up sometimes.

Republican Filibuster. Your idea goes nowhere. Next.

Scoobs I'm way ahead of you. Also in the Manifesto, political strategizing!

Lets go with the premise that knucks' keep House in next election. How much they keep the house by becomes critical. For example, there is IIRC a 30 seat GOP majority. There are 28 Goopers sitting in Obama held seats (maybe 4 Dems in Mittens seats). If you use 2008 results its more like 35. So, the goal for the House for starters is taking back Obama friendly seats. Redistricting doesn't apply at this point because Obama drew more votes in 2012 post-redistricting in these places.

So, say you grab back 20 seats especially from people elected in GOP wave in 2014. You still have 10 or so GOP reps in Dem seats who maybe barely survived 2016 election. You also have several GOP reps in urban areas dependent on transit. Think Peter King in NY for example. Simply put you cobble together a Dem + Northeast urban Rep coalition to get this passed. Budget affecting items go through reconciliation process, so only 50 votes needed to pass.

 

[mookie1995]

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I was limiting the discussion for when the Goopers took over Congress. For a guy who works for one of the top financial institutions in the world, you sure have trouble keeping up sometimes.

you the one who said since 2011 the goopers have allowed increased banking regs. they were increased before 2011

 

[Kepler]

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there is IIRC a 30 seat GOP majority.

Not sure which way you are counting. It's a 58-seat lead, which means we need 30 to flip to bring back sanity. I think the rest of your analysis agrees with this.

With Trump we hopefully gain back about 15 of those seats. With Cruz, good lord, we might flip 50.

 

[Rover]

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you the one who said since 2011 the goopers have allowed increased banking regs. they were increased before 2011

The law was passed in 2010. The implementation of those rules happened afterwards and is on-going. I always hear talk about how Republicans have some dastardly plan to gut Dodd-Frank or the ACA with funding cuts to stop those laws in their tracks. I'm kinda wondering when that's going to start happening since they've held the House since 2011 and it hasn't occurred yet.

It's a 58-seat lead, which means need 30 to flip to bring back sanity.

Correct and apologies for the confusion. Dems need to win 30 seats was my point. The closer they come to doing so the better chance to form an alliance.

 

[Rover]

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so you saying BHO did nothing from 2008-2011?!?!?

Oh, and if you want to get technical mookie, he wasn't President in 2008!

 

[mookie1995]

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Rover Proposal #3,456,775 from the Manifesto.

Congress should decide how much money they want to spend on infrastructure over the next 5 years and adjust the gas tax accordingly. With gas process being below 2 bucks a gallon, this is an easy tax to get away with. Also with cars being ever more efficient, people aren't using as much gas anyway. Hypothetically if Congress didn't want to spend anything they could cut the tax but mostly likely they can do their freakin jobs for once, decide how much spending is needed, and plan accordingly. If they come up short an appropriation can be made. If the tax raises more than needed send that money back to the Treasury.

before you make this proposal, tell us how much the us gov'ment takes in with their gas tax? then compare how much is spent on the mandate attached to this. then we can decide how much to increase it if needed.

you sound like bern now!!! "tax wall street and pay for free college"

 

[mookie1995]

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Oh, and if you want to get technical mookie, he wasn't President in 2008!

you sure?

wasn't W a lame duck and did nothing and allowed the incoming elected pres to make decisions in nov and dec?

rubio told mookie last night that this has been the precedent for the past 80 years

 

[Kepler]

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Correct and apologies for the confusion. Dems need to win 30 seats was my point. The closer they come to doing so the better chance to form an alliance.

Agree. Also if the nutbars finally take control of the GOP national apparatus we might see a few northeast and urban Republicans switch parties. This happened in reverse when the good ol' boy Dixiecrats in the 80s saw a future of Mondales and Dukaki leading their party. A GOP led by Cruz has no room for a moderate northeastern Republican who would be better served switching parties and trying to hold on than being primaried from the far right and having to take all sorts of positions that are toxic in the general.

 

[mookie1995]

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The law was passed in 2010. The implementation of those rules happened afterwards and is on-going. I always hear talk about how Republicans have some dastardly plan to gut Dodd-Frank or the ACA with funding cuts to stop those laws in their tracks. I'm kinda wondering when that's going to start happening since they've held the House since 2011 and it hasn't occurred yet..

couldn't anythin they try and pass get veto'd? house no have executive order privilege like BHO

 

[Rover]

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before you make this proposal, tell us how much the us gov'ment takes in with their gas tax? then compare how much is spent on the mandate attached to this. then we can decide how much to increase it if needed.

you sound like bern now!!! "tax wall street and pay for free college"

Not quite since transportation taxes and transportation funding are linked more than Wall St and free college.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Trust_Fund

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...e-to-raise-the-federal-tax-on-gasoline-114380

Current transportation funding is approx. 50B a year. Current tax takes in maybe half that (figures in first link are higher, but people use less gas now). And 18.4 cent gas tax brings in half of the funding needed. Gas prices have gone from nearly 4 bucks a gallon to under 2 in the last few years. Double the gas tax and people are still in the black. This would merely get gas prices back to 2 bucks and you'd fully fund current levels. With roughly every penny more adding $1.1Bn, you can figure out how much more you'd like to spend and adjust accordingly.

couldn't anythin they try and pass get veto'd? house no have executive order privilege like BHO

That's what I thought too but Scooby told me the GOP controls everything and has been imposing their will on us.

 

[mookie1995]

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Not quite since transportation taxes and transportation funding are linked more than Wall St and free college.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Trust_Fund

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...e-to-raise-the-federal-tax-on-gasoline-114380

Current transportation funding is approx. 50B a year. Current tax takes in maybe half that (figures in first link are higher, but people use less gas now). And 18.4 cent gas tax brings in half of the funding needed. Gas prices have gone from nearly 4 bucks a gallon to under 2 in the last few years. Double the gas tax and people are still in the black. This would merely get gas prices back to 2 bucks and you'd fully fund current levels. With roughly every penny more adding $1.1Bn, you can figure out how much more you'd like to spend and adjust accordingly..

uh uh... missing something.

feds require state contribution to projects (remember that big dig? )
i only see fed gas tax revenue here. mookie pays state gas tax too when driving.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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That's what I thought too but Scooby told me the GOP controls everything and has been imposing their will on us.

Not what I said at all.

 

[Rover]

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uh uh... missing something.

feds require state contribution to projects (remember that big dig? )
i only see fed gas tax revenue here. mookie pays state gas tax too when driving.

Too broad for the discussion here. I'm getting federal funding in line. State are going to do, or not do, whatever they want.

 

[mookie1995]

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Too broad for the discussion here. I'm getting federal funding in line. State are going to do, or not do, whatever they want.

so congress will raise fed gas tax and outlaw state gas taxes in the same swift bill?

works for mookie!!! state's rights be ****ed

 

[mookie1995]

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oh, and we no longer require states to contribute to federal highway construction?

will MA get a refund for the big dig?!?!

 

[aparch]

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My God. Someone get Rover a political position immediately. I 100% support this.

 

[joecct]

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Scooby they "control" jack sh !t and its their own fault. I won't address individual states because its too broad and lumping in Charlie Baker with Sam Brownback is unfair. But for Congress, what exactly does the GOP have to show for itself? Since the GOP took over the House in 2011, this has happened: 1) Higher taxes on the rich. 2) Increased banking regulations. 3) Expanded EPA regulations on power plants. 4) Total funding of the ACA. 5) Gay marriage legalized everywhere.

5. Courts did this - few legislatures passed SSM. Scalia made a great point that 5 lawyers disenfranchised 300 million people.
4. See above. The law was made to fit the outcome, not the outcome made to fit the law.
3. Wasn't this done by the unelected bureaucracy?
2. Ditto and EO
1. I missed this one. When?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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My God. Someone get Rover a political position immediately. I 100% support this.

I'd love to do that too. It won't happen. We can't even get an infrastructure bank passed. The people that run Michigan don't give a **** about clean water. There's is not a single right wing run institution in this country interested in infrastructure unless it's a new stadium for their buddies (see Milwaukee Bucks/Walker).

 

[Rover]

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so congress will raise fed gas tax and outlaw state gas taxes in the same swift bill?

works for mookie!!! state's rights be ****ed

No, states are free to set their gas taxes however they like, and contribute to projects however they like. Think of it this way: Feds pony up 10Bn for a New Big Dig somewhere, but only if state contributes $5Bn. State says no. Well, money doesn't go to the state then. Pretty simple and how I believe it works currently.