Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

You guys are mixing your Venn diagrams.

All apples are fruit, not all fruit are apples.

All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

I heard people voted for Clinton because she's a woman. Sounds sexist to me...

 

[mookie1995]

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I think I'm willing to look at single-payer. Or perhaps a single-payer tiered system. We kind of have that at work. We have three options:

PPO - Where you pay a copay of around $25-$30 for an office visit and prescriptions have fixed costs. The downside is the premiums are very high.
Medium deductible - Where you pay the first $1,500 a year, but you get $600 in an HSA and you have lower premiums.
High deductible - Where you pay the first like $2,500-$3,000 a year, but you get that same $600 and you have extremely low premiums.

The biggest failure of Obamacare was that the pool of people was too small. And of that small pool, the young and healthy chose to pay the small fine instead. The pool started to shrink and therefore you have a death spiral where people drop out and those that can't drop insurance have to pay an ever-increasing amount. If we have a single pool that encompasses the entire nation, that flaw is removed. Everyone is in the pool whether they like it or not. The premiums are far more stable and the government can start negotiating with the healthcare providers directly.

always felt this should have been settled in 1993 on the heels of harris wofford winning a senate seat on this one topic. hilly f ed this up then. ugh

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I think I'm willing to look at single-payer. Or perhaps a single-payer tiered system. We kind of have that at work. We have three options:

PPO - Where you pay a copay of around $25-$30 for an office visit and prescriptions have fixed costs. The downside is the premiums are very high.
Medium deductible - Where you pay the first $1,500 a year, but you get $600 in an HSA and you have lower premiums.
High deductible - Where you pay the first like $2,500-$3,000 a year, but you get that same $600 and you have extremely low premiums.

The biggest failure of Obamacare was that the pool of people was too small. And of that small pool, the young and healthy chose to pay the small fine instead. The pool started to shrink and therefore you have a death spiral where people drop out and those that can't drop insurance have to pay an ever-increasing amount. If we have a single pool that encompasses the entire nation, that flaw is removed. Everyone is in the pool whether they like it or not. The premiums are far more stable and the government can start negotiating with the healthcare providers directly.

I think this sounds like a **** good start, and addresses a few of the biggest issues I've seen with the current system.

I still don't think the right guy is in place to put this in place though. Maybe I'll be surprised.

 

[mookie1995]

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Don Jr. for Secretary of the Interior.

fast track for 46? (though as typed already mookie wants that for ivanka!!)

 

[Jimjamesak]

I am so grateful I get to teach my nephew what stop and frisk means. We get to worry about him every time he leaves the house. That's awesome. I'm even prouder of my mother, who has put on the thickest, rosiest pair of glasses I have ever seen. She grew up in Virginia during Segregation. She was kicked off a bus for giving her seat to a tired black woman. She should ****ing know what lies ahead for him.

"How many times do you think your grandson is going to get patted down by a police officer just because of the color of his skin?"
'Oh, that won't happen here.'

*headdesk*

I'm going to repeat it over and over: This is a war. This is a war on the liberal, progressive ideals we held dear. And we have to fight.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I think this sounds like a **** good start, and addresses a few of the biggest issues I've seen with the current system.

I still don't think the right guy is in place to put this in place though. Maybe I'll be surprised.

It has the added benefit of removing insurance from the workplace. Companies no longer have to provide insurance as a benefit. This should (but won't because we can't have nice things) lead to a proportional increase in wages (would likely go back to the shareholders) that would be offset by increased taxes. So you make more but your taxes would also need to go up. If it's done right, the increase in taxes would be smaller than what you currently pay for health insurance. Those of us on nice company plans would likely end up net negative, but it probably wouldn't be horrid. I have no basis for that though.

It would create a massive, massive new government program, but rather than have hundreds of smaller organizations offering thousands of different plans with 50 separate sets of regulations, we could have a much more efficient and streamlined system.

I think I'd be ok with that.

 

[mookie1995]

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I think this sounds like a **** good start, and addresses a few of the biggest issues I've seen with the current system.

I still don't think the right guy is in place to put this in place though. Maybe I'll be surprised.

to do what dx laid out is having everyone in it. so you no longer get it through work. somehow the big share that employers pay does to the gov'ment to handle the heavy lifting.
needs some work. needs to be looked it. stretched around.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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That might be another option. Have your employer pay a portion and have the employee pay a portion.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I think I'm willing to look at single-payer.

Many like me are angry about the law and have suffered because of it. I don't see it being fixed. Pharma is too powerful and they make all their money off the backs of Americans. Other countries don't allow them to charge what they do here and the laws will never change here because of their power.

We are the only modern democracy in the world that uses "Value" based pricing for Health Care. The profit motive is strong with our people and our health care providers.

Paulsen who got reelected as my Representative was talking about the repeal/replace strategy on the radio today. It will be interesting to see if anything happens at all that helps my situation. My guess would be whatever happens, if anything, may stem the tide but I won't see any decreases and I have a lot of money going out the door every month.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Personally, I feel like supporting Drumpf as much as the GOP Congress supported Obama. What goes around, comes around, and all that jazz.

I'm not proud of that, but you can only pull the football away so many times before I say fark it and start fighting back.

I'll give the guy a shot. Again, I've seen absolutely nothing as evidence that he'll do a good job, and plenty to suggest he'll be a disaster, but he starts Jan 20 with a blank slate.

I guess I'm less concerned about winning for the sake of winning than I am about good governing. If the Right can improve the lives of all citizens through their policies, I'd be just as happy as if my team did it. That's why I'd rather see the DNC continue to be the party of reason rather than try to out-crazy the GOP at their own game. I want a government run by adults, not the loudest baby.

 

[SonofSouthie]

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I'll give the guy a shot. Again, I've seen absolutely nothing as evidence that he'll do a good job, and plenty to suggest he'll be a disaster, but he starts Jan 20 with a blank slate.

I guess I'm less concerned about winning for the sake of winning than I am about good governing. If the Right can improve the lives of all citizens through their policies, I'd be just as happy as if my team did it. That's why I'd rather see the DNC continue to be the party of reason rather than try to out-crazy the GOP at their own game. I want a government run by adults, not the loudest baby.

Bravo.

 

[ticapnews]

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So, now that we have to deal with the fallout of what happened, any guesses as to cabinet members? I read an article which floated around Rudy Guiliani's name for Homeland Security or Attorney General, Sheriff Arpaio for Sec Def, or Chris Christie for AG. Ben Carson for Surgeon General, which would actually be a really good pick, IMO. Newt Gingrich for SecState (imagine how many women would be grabbed by the p***y if that happened...) and Don Jr. for Secretary of the Interior.

(all confirmed choices)
Head of transition: Chris Christie
Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus
Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich
Attorney General: Rudy Giuliani
Defense Secretary: Michael Flynn
Secretary of Interior: Sarah Palin

(speculated choices)
Homeland Security: Joe Arpaio
National Security Adviser: Paul Manafort
Department of Environmental: Paul LePage

I'm going to repeat it over and over: This is a war. This is a war on the liberal, progressive ideals we held dear. And we have to fight.

You fight. The establishment sold us out for a bag of magic beans. I'm tired and moving to Canuckistan.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

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This is the best thing I've seen about what Obama should do in his final days on executive orders:

"Could he not create a load, i mean an absolute **** tonne, like 4000 odd and sign them all into law. I mean, really banal ****, like "seagulls are now the property of the US Marines" etc, just crazy stuff. Then declare to the world that he has enacted 4000 executive orders designed to confound and confuse Mr Trumps presidency, good luck repealling them all mfer etc. Donald sees them all on the oval office desk, piled neatly, he has no clue what they are and must assume they are bad and will harm his presidency. He is forced to spend the next however many years opening them and repealing all of them?"

 

[SJHovey]

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(all confirmed choices)
Head of transition: Chris Christie
Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus
Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich
Attorney General: Rudy Giuliani
Defense Secretary: Michael Flynn
Secretary of Interior: Sarah Palin

(speculated choices)
Homeland Security: Joe Arpaio
National Security Adviser: Paul Manafort
Department of Environmental: Paul LePage




You fight. The establishment sold us out for a bag of magic beans. I'm tired and moving to Canuckistan.

Do they still have a Transportation Secretary? Christie would seem a shoe-in.

Billy Bush for Communications Director will add a little spice to things as well.

 

[ticapnews]

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Do they still have a Transportation Secretary? Christie would seem a shoe-in.

Billy Bush for Communications Director will add a little spice to things as well.

Communications will be Kellyanne Conway. Press Secretary might be Omarosa. No, I'm not kidding.

 

[SJHovey]

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Press Secretary might be Omarosa. No, I'm not kidding.

I thought she was in charge of the Nice/Naughty List?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I'm tired and moving to Canuckistan.

Hello, I'm your friendly US/Canada relationship coordinator. Minnesota fans call us < bleep > UND fans. We're here to help you adjust to Canada and Canadians. Firstly, when you refer to Canada "Canuckistan" is fine, but you must end all your phrases and sentences with an "eh", eh, or they'll peg you right away as a DFA, eh.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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(all confirmed choices)
Head of transition: Chris Christie
Chief of Staff: Reince Priebus
Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich
Attorney General: Rudy Giuliani
Defense Secretary: Michael Flynn
Secretary of Interior: Sarah Palin

(speculated choices)
Homeland Security: Joe Arpaio
National Security Adviser: Paul Manafort
Department of Environmental: Paul LePage

He's holding back Cruz and Sessions for The Supremes?

 

[Jimjamesak]

You fight. The establishment sold us out for a bag of magic beans. I'm tired and moving to Canuckistan.

Then first chance you get walk into an Embassy and renounce your citizenship.

Some of us have no choice, we have to fight.

 

[joecct]

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Piers Morgan: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-American-trigger-Millennial-Armageddon.html