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Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

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Gurtholfin said:
I think it's reasonable to wonder if turnout would have been stronger with a different candidate.
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6 million less Dem votes this year... I think it is VERY fair to wonder if a more inspiring candidate would have turned out more voters.
 
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geezer said:
I admire the points that Gurtholfin is making. Understand that when you vent your frustration in this way, you're doubling down on the hateful rhetoric you pretend to be attacking. "Obama only got elected because he promised welfare to blacks!" is the righty equivalent of saying Trump wants to deport all Muslims or stop women from getting any health care. These grotesque distortions are adding to other people's frustration and putting up walls.
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Bull$hit. Trump actually said the things he is accused of saying. They aren't distortions at all.
 
geezer said:
I admire the points that Gurtholfin is making. Understand that when you vent your frustration in this way, you're doubling down on the hateful rhetoric you pretend to be attacking. "Obama only got elected because he promised welfare to blacks!" is the righty equivalent of saying Trump wants to deport all Muslims or stop women from getting any health care. These grotesque distortions are adding to other people's frustration and putting up walls.
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EXCEPT HE SAID THOSE EXACT THINGS!

* this false equivalency BS. Everything I'm harping about he said on camera, to the world. And they voted for him! And now wonder why certain groups are legitimately scared for their future? But we can't lump them together because that's not fair? F that.
 
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Scarlet said:
Not my 401K, my other stuff I have invested. I'm not touching that. Though I will be watching it a little more closely.
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I figured today would recover the gains as the panickers dumped sold off. THere's a lot of money to be made short term. What I worry is the longer term impacts. Trade deals being thrown to the wind, inviting recessions. Today's recovery means nothing. The next 12 months are going to be a scary ride.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I don't like this line of thinking. I find the man to be abhorrent. Or whatever word is stronger than abhorrent. But he is our President. We need to own it, learn from it, do the best we can to limit the damage, and be ready two years from now with a plan to fix the damage.
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Personally, I feel like supporting Drumpf as much as the GOP Congress supported Obama. What goes around, comes around, and all that jazz.

I'm not proud of that, but you can only pull the football away so many times before I say fark it and start fighting back.
 
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geezer said:
I admire the points that Gurtholfin is making. Understand that when you vent your frustration in this way, you're doubling down on the hateful rhetoric you pretend to be attacking. "Obama only got elected because he promised welfare to blacks!" is the righty equivalent of saying Trump wants to deport all Muslims or stop women from getting any health care. These grotesque distortions are adding to other people's frustration and putting up walls.
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While you are right in theory...everyone is right Drumpf said most of things people rip him for. It isnt spin those were his words.
 
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I am so grateful I get to teach my nephew what stop and frisk means. We get to worry about him every time he leaves the house. That's awesome. I'm even prouder of my mother, who has put on the thickest, rosiest pair of glasses I have ever seen. She grew up in Virginia during Segregation. She was kicked off a bus for giving her seat to a tired black woman. She should ****ing know what lies ahead for him.

"How many times do you think your grandson is going to get patted down by a police officer just because of the color of his skin?"
'Oh, that won't happen here.'

*headdesk*
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I don't know, and I understand what you're saying.

My hope would be that ObamaCare isn't repealed, with nothing in place to fill that vacuum. My hope would be that a replacement system, that better addresses the inadequacies of ObamaCare takes it place. I just don't think, as I'm sure most of you agree, Trump is the person to get that done. I agree with my parents that something needs to be done, I don't agree that Trump is the person for the job.
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I think I'm willing to look at single-payer. Or perhaps a single-payer tiered system. We kind of have that at work. We have three options:

PPO - Where you pay a copay of around $25-$30 for an office visit and prescriptions have fixed costs. The downside is the premiums are very high.
Medium deductible - Where you pay the first $1,500 a year, but you get $600 in an HSA and you have lower premiums.
High deductible - Where you pay the first like $2,500-$3,000 a year, but you get that same $600 and you have extremely low premiums.

The biggest failure of Obamacare was that the pool of people was too small. And of that small pool, the young and healthy chose to pay the small fine instead. The pool started to shrink and therefore you have a death spiral where people drop out and those that can't drop insurance have to pay an ever-increasing amount. If we have a single pool that encompasses the entire nation, that flaw is removed. Everyone is in the pool whether they like it or not. The premiums are far more stable and the government can start negotiating with the healthcare providers directly.
 
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geezer said:
I admire the points that Gurtholfin is making. Understand that when you vent your frustration in this way, you're doubling down on the hateful rhetoric you pretend to be attacking. "Obama only got elected because he promised welfare to blacks!" is the righty equivalent of saying Trump wants to deport all Muslims or stop women from getting any health care. These grotesque distortions are adding to other people's frustration and putting up walls.
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Are they distortions when someone just repeats what he said? Trump actually said a lot of those types of things. Obama never said he was going to give welfare to blacks.
 
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unofan said:
Personally, I feel like supporting Drumpf as much as the GOP Congress supported Obama. What goes around, comes around, and all that jazz.

I'm not proud of that, but you can only pull the football away so many times before I say fark it and start fighting back.
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I agree. What I wrote might not sound like that, but I mean he is our President. Now we need to fight back.
 
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ticapnews said:
"How many times do you think your grandson is going to get patted down by a police officer just because of the color of his skin?"
'Oh, that won't happen here.'

*headdesk*
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I've heard so many of those rationalizations today. It's gross.
 
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So, now that we have to deal with the fallout of what happened, any guesses as to cabinet members? I read an article which floated around Rudy Guiliani's name for Homeland Security or Attorney General, Sheriff Arpaio for Sec Def, or Chris Christie for AG. Ben Carson for Surgeon General, which would actually be a really good pick, IMO. Newt Gingrich for SecState :eek: (imagine how many women would be grabbed by the p***y if that happened...) and Don Jr. for Secretary of the Interior.
 
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ticapnews said:
I am so grateful I get to teach my nephew what stop and frisk means. We get to worry about him every time he leaves the house. That's awesome. I'm even prouder of my mother, who has put on the thickest, rosiest pair of glasses I have ever seen. She grew up in Virginia during Segregation. She was kicked off a bus for giving her seat to a tired black woman. She should ****ing know what lies ahead for him.

"How many times do you think your grandson is going to get patted down by a police officer just because of the color of his skin?"
'Oh, that won't happen here.'

*headdesk*
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"Hey, some people just have a different world view. They're not actually racist."
 
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