Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

Not all are, but it is a pretty safe assumption that most of the racist / sexist voters did vote for Trump.

You guys are mixing your Venn diagrams.

All apples are fruit, not all fruit are apples.

All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

Not all are, but it is a pretty safe assumption that most of the racist / sexist voters did vote for Trump.

No.

Plenty of racist and sexist liberals out there too. I know a bunch.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

There were some poli sci profs that called the race correctly.

Trafalgar Group nearly called PA to the number.
https://twitter.com/trfgrp/status/795696604175069184

Details: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4lhKxf9pMiteE9pZkcwQnZ3TVk/view

The question I find interesting by them: Which candidate do you think most of your neighbors are voting for?

The media did a lot of "Trump shaming". Folks didn't want to admit voting for Trump, but they'd throw their neighbors under the bus. Trafalgar found that question and found the voting bloc the rest missed.

 

[ericredaxe]

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You guys are mixing your Venn diagrams.

All apples are fruit, not all fruit are apples.

All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

Sadly I doubt this is too far off.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

Some of them are, some of them aren't. At the end of the day, the question for most of the Trump "leaners" who ultimately broke for him was "What is my gut feeling?"

Again, a lot of stupid Americans vote based on their emotions.

Both of my parents voted Trump. They voted based on one issue this time around, and that is health care/insurance. In the years since Obamacare was put into place their premiums have increased by 7x, while deductibles and out of pocket maximums have increase 2-3x what they were previously. That is a pretty **** good motivator to get someone to vote a certain way, all of the other issues be ****ed.

 

[Kepler]

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dunno... all i hear with the D people today is "black" "latino" "white" "women" & "asian". they seem to be the experts on racist and sexist identifiers.

I'm pretty sure this is one election you prolly don't want to call out the left on identity politics...

 

[Jimjamesak]

Well said.

I know my dad isn't racist, might be a little sexist and he's certainly not stupid - chemical engineer (UW).

Just sees the world differently than me.

Except that different world view now needs to be rectified versus a changing world.

That's the ultimate outcome of this, forcing them to actually face the problems and answer the questions.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Both of my parents voted Trump. They voted based on one issue this time around, and that is health care/insurance. In the years since Obamacare was put into place their premiums have increased by 7x, while deductibles and out of pocket maximums have increase 2-3x what they were previously. That is a pretty **** good motivator to get someone to vote a certain way, all of the other issues be ****ed.

American votes pocketbook.
Whodathunk.

 

[unofan]

Both of my parents voted Trump. They voted based on one issue this time around, and that is health care/insurance. In the years since Obamacare was put into place their premiums have increased by 7x, while deductibles and out of pocket maximums have increase 2-3x what they were previously. That is a pretty **** good motivator to get someone to vote a certain way, all of the other issues be ****ed.

So what are they going to do when ObamaCare gets repealed and their health care costs rise even faster?

Because health care costs have been vastly outpacing inflation for decades. And they'll continue to do so for the foreseeable future as the population ages.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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You guys are mixing your Venn diagrams.

All apples are fruit, not all fruit are apples.

All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

Kep gets it. At least, until his next post about nuking the South.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

Whether you like it or not, race was one of the central issues of this campaign and there's going to have to be a conversation on race. Trump made a lot of racist, homophobic, and misogynist statements and people voted for him. Trump's core message was "taking back their America."

Race, gender, sexual orientation? All of those will have to be addressed.

I would argue that many people voted for him despite all of those comments, rather than because of them. And I'm not disagreeing that there are some people out there with that thought process, there are, but I tend to believe that number is small.

 

[Handyman]

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None of them have been or are MY President. I don't claim ownership.

They are THE president though.

Salute the rank, not the man.

Yeah...that is how it works.

I will do my part to point out every piece of crap thing he does...but he is the President. I wont be like the Anti-Obama people were.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Both of my parents voted Trump. They voted based on one issue this time around, and that is health care/insurance. In the years since Obamacare was put into place their premiums have increased by 7x, while deductibles and out of pocket maximums have increase 2-3x what they were previously. That is a pretty **** good motivator to get someone to vote a certain way, all of the other issues be ****ed.

Ok. So what's the solution. Obamacare is going away. What's the solution?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Except that different world view now needs to be rectified versus a changing world.

That's the ultimate outcome of this, forcing them to actually face the problems and answer the questions.

And those people... roughly half the country, feel the same way about you.

Good and bad is a matter of perspective when people are looking at themselves.


I'm on your side, but this place is a bubble.

You can't beat them or convert them if you don't understand why they feel the way the do. No just understand it, but feel it.

Some of you are hilariously naive.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

I'm pretty sure this is one election you prolly don't want to call out the left on identity politics...

mookie is saying nobody holds the monopoly there. after all, yer queen did identify herself and the rest of us with #implicitbias

let (s)he without sin cast that first stone

 

[Handyman]

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You guys are mixing your Venn diagrams.

All apples are fruit, not all fruit are apples.

All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

^
This

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

Both of my parents voted Trump. They voted based on one issue this time around, and that is health care/insurance. In the years since Obamacare was put into place their premiums have increased by 7x, while deductibles and out of pocket maximums have increase 2-3x what they were previously. That is a pretty **** good motivator to get someone to vote a certain way, all of the other issues be ****ed.

Yep, I hear ya. Obamacare is a failure; we all know it. The question is, do we do a total repeal, or do we refine the existing law?

Unfortunately, I think the rurals have shouted louder than the urbans. All while the plutes laugh, of course, since they win either way.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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So what are they going to do when ObamaCare gets repealed and their health care costs rise even faster?

Because health care costs have been vastly outpacing inflation for decades. And they'll continue to do so for the foreseeable future as the population ages.

I don't know, and I understand what you're saying.

My hope would be that ObamaCare isn't repealed, with nothing in place to fill that vacuum. My hope would be that a replacement system, that better addresses the inadequacies of ObamaCare takes it place. I just don't think, as I'm sure most of you agree, Trump is the person to get that done. I agree with my parents that something needs to be done, I don't agree that Trump is the person for the job.

 

[MaizeRage]

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All sexists voted for Trump, but not all Trump voters were sexists.

They're not sexist(or racist, or whatever), they just don't care if sexism exists. Slightly different, but same end result.

 

[Jimjamesak]

I would argue that many people voted for him despite all of those comments, rather than because of them. And I'm not disagreeing that there are some people out there with that thought process, there are, but I tend to believe that number is small.

Except he made the comments and they elected him. They are now one and the same in the eyes of many. You might be able to separate the two among the large white majority here, but try explaining this to the groups he was talking about.