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Campaign 2016 Part XXIV: Both candidates are the same, but here's why yours is awful

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rufus said:
Easy, they want an authoritarian strongman.

It was an article done earlier this season, the one common factor among Trump supporters wasn't racism, or economic anxiety, or immigration, the one factor they all had in common was authoritarian leanings.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533
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It isn't just Trumpers saying that (same source):

More than one-third (36 percent) of 2016 voters said being a strong leader was the most important quality when picking a president, compared with 18 percent of voters who said the same during 2012 election. It’s an opinion held regardless of partisan leanings: 35 percent of Democrats, 34 percent of independents and 39 percent of Republicans said that was most important.
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BassAle said:
the flyers at Bates College said that any out of state student that voted in Lewiston needed to pay to obtain a Maine drivers license and pay excise tax to register their car in Lewiston within 30 days. This is not true.
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If that's what he said, that's committing a fraud.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
It isn't just Trumpers saying that (same source):
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Cross-ref it by who they voted for.

We may be seeing a realignment from "conservative" / "liberal" to "authoritarian" / "democratic." While authoritarianism tracks well with conservatism, they aren't identical. Particularly because of the correlation between authoritarian and uneducated, one easily imagines educated conservatives rejecting Trump while uneducated white Democratic males are attracted by his "clarity."
 
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SJHovey said:
I think that is exactly what working class whites who support Trump believe. That is really the point. They believe they have gotten to their place in line by doing just that. They recognize they are not further ahead, because of their limitations (say,lack of college education). But they object to people advancing ahead of them not through the efforts of those people who were behind them, but because you (who I take to be liberals, government, do-gooders, et al) are moving them there because you have decided they are entitled to this unearned advancement.

I will grant you that this thought process doesn't put a whole lot of thought into why some people behind you in line are behind you, whether it is institutional or historical bias or lack of privileges, or just plain lack of effort. All they know is this is where they are at, and you're trying to pick a chosen few and move them ahead.

What I think is really interesting about the psychology of it is that those people already ahead of them in line really don't bother the working class. Whether those people got ahead of them because they were born there, because they are highly educated, or maybe just lucky. It's like when you show up for a movie or sporting event and there are already a bunch of people in line. You just kind of look at it like "thems the breaks." But if someone shows up after you and tries to jump ahead because a friend offers it to them, now what? We direct a much more discerning eye towards those behind us rather than those ahead.

I really think the line metaphor is an excellent one for where we are at politically, and I wish I had thought of it. For reasons that are beyond me, having someone butt ahead of you in line causes great anger in people. I was reminded of that this weekend in the Twin Cities as I was driving from Bloomington to downtown Minneapolis. As you travel north on 35W there is a horrible bottleneck where westbound I94 traffic is reduced to one lane. Even on an average Saturday afternoon you will see cars backed up miles, waiting in that single lane to take the exit. Meanwhile, in the center and left lanes you have people who whiz along at the speed limit, only to cut in at the last moment to take the exit. You could write a book on human psychology if you sat at that merge point and watched behavior.

I just think it's funny that people like you and Kep, as well as the working class whites upon whom you heap your scorn are all saying the exact same thing -- that what is wrong with this country is we need to make it so people are paid an honest days wage for an honest days work. Except when the left speaks it they are usually referring to the unmerited riches of the 1%, while the working class whites are complaining about handouts to those behind them.
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This analogy is so far off and if it exists, explains why many are in the situation they are in.

A line infers that an individual is owed to be 'rewarded' based on how long they've been standing there. Its like they're owed for just existing. It also infers that others are giving preferential treatment for no reason. In 90% of the situations both are false.

And as you say, education is part of what makes someone qualified. But so is creativity (find otherways to separate yourself from others) and drive. If one is 'passed in line' its because they believe they are owed something...and that someone else is a better candidate. In the end, a line is a totally defeatist attitude and leads to why we have so many unemployment problems (and so many jobs go overseas).
 
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rufus said:
Easy, they want an authoritarian strongman.

It was an article done earlier this season, the one common factor among Trump supporters wasn't racism, or economic anxiety, or immigration, the one factor they all had in common was authoritarian leanings.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533
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This article doesn't say that. It says that 49% of likely R primary voters he polled had authoritarian leanings. 43% of that 49% supported Trump, which he found to be statistically significant. That's about 21/100 likely R primary voters.


Beyond that, while this guy has been quoted widely and he may very well be onto something, he also wouldn't be the first guy with a hypothesis that constructed his own poll, and astonishingly, found some support for his own hypothesis in the results.

Edit: Changed the bolded from 37 to 43 and 18 to 21 upon rechecking.
 
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rufus said:
Easy, they want an authoritarian strongman.

It was an article done earlier this season, the one common factor among Trump supporters wasn't racism, or economic anxiety, or immigration, the one factor they all had in common was authoritarian leanings.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533
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Sure. And the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about "state's rights". When #1 with a bullet on both lists is about denying rights to citizens because of their skin color, it's racism, no matter what fancy word you want to come up with to try to justify it.
 
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are nevada judges R or D?
 
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MaizeRage said:
Sure. And the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about "state's rights". When #1 with a bullet on both lists is about denying rights to citizens because of their skin color, it's racism, no matter what fancy word you want to come up with to try to justify it.
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You forgot the 20th century laws against the Asians. The "Yellow Peril" was HUGE 100 years ago.
 
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Through all of the bantering- voting is done for me. Line was pretty long, but we took the time to talk to some fellow citizens in our voting area. Very cool.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Sure. And the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about "state's rights". When #1 with a bullet on both lists is about denying rights to citizens because of their skin color, it's racism, no matter what fancy word you want to come up with to try to justify it.
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how can owned property be something else? did a fence have rights?
 
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joecct said:
You forgot the 20th century laws against the Asians. The "Yellow Peril" was HUGE 100 years ago.
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Guarantee that one's coming back for a revival tour. We need a Looming Chinese Threat. Build that wall on the International Date Line.

Military approps don't sell themselves.
 
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