Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Sorry about the confusion. Look at it this way. If there are 5 restaurants in town, and some dude on the street tells you you are only allowed to eat at one of them, do you think you have to follow his orders?
If you can grasp that scenario, take it a step further. Another dude on the street tells you that you have to eat supper now because a lot of people spent a lot of time preparing food for you in these restaurants. Are you still free to choose not to go into any restaurant or do you have to pick one?

Yes, you are still free to choose not to go into any restaurant. That's why it's persuasion, not force and your use of force doesn't make sense. "Force" would be if a policeman comes up to you, handcuffs you and takes you to a restaurant or if he threatens you with arrest if you don't.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

What? You're the one that seems to indicate you don't have it.

Those were hypothetical scenarios which I would not go along with. What I would do is choose a restaurant or not according to my own personal preference. As I said much earlier, "nobody has the right to force me" which is the point of good ol' free will.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Yes, you are still free to choose not to go into any restaurant. That's why it's persuasion, not force and your use of force doesn't make sense. "Force" would be if a policeman comes up to you, handcuffs you and takes you to a restaurant or if he threatens you with arrest if you don't.

Exactly. In the USA, nobody can force you to eat or vote.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Nothing. She's been cock blocked ever since you got there along with Obama. But she does speak truth to power which is more than you can say about ****wads Chaffetz and Gowdy.

so again if one touts "leadership" that implies getting things done. pushing others toward a goal.

her standing on a street corner and yelling to herself and a couple true believers is not all that dissimilar to tD standing across the street yelling to his fools.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

I think if someone tries to guilt-trip you into voting, the best thing is just, "I'll make up my own mind, thanks."

 

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Exactly. In the USA, nobody can force you to eat or vote.

And, as has been frequently stated in "panhandler" Supreme Court cases, others have the right to try to persuade you, even if you find those arguments annoying or inconvenient. So it's fine if you want to be annoyed, but don't characterize it as "force".

 

[joecct]

Nothing. She's been cock blocked ever since you got there along with Obama. But she does speak truth to power which is more than you can say about ****wads Chaffetz and Gowdy.

And if the Dems capture the Senate, she'll still be blocked because Wall Street will own the Chief Executive.

At some point she's going to realize that she's been rendered impotent. What happens then could be interesting / cataclysmic.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Interesting electoral maps.

What the hell is wrong with men? Seriously, how can Trump be +11 with men? I know we're stupid -- I grew up with us -- but in all that God considers holy, what is the fundamental brain damage of our gender?!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

And if the Dems capture the Senate, she'll still be blocked because Wall Street will own the Chief Executive.

At some point she's going to realize that she's been rendered impotent. What happens then could be interesting / cataclysmic.

Sometimes being the one who brings thing to light is enough.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

I will be voting because my grandmother (a civil rights activist in the 60s) noted that generations before you worked hard for you to earn the right to vote and, if nothing else, you should honor them by voting. Even if it's a write in.

Seconded. I would never skip voting. That would be an insult to everyone in every country who has ever fought for the right of self-determination. It is bad enough that I am not an activist. That's the level of my betrayal of our ideals. But voting is IMHO the absolute minimal level of compliance of the requirement of a free people.

“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”

Likewise with voting.

Also: I don't know about anybody else but when I vote I feel good. I come out of the polling site with a spring in my step, and it's not just because hockey season is starting. For one day I feel connected to and brothers with all my fellow Americans. It's really the only time I feel patriotic, and it feels great.

 

[joecct]

Sometimes being the one who brings thing to light is enough.

We need 6 of the most senators to disappear to get the balance more towards the middle.

About 20 representatives ought to be a start in the other House.

However, as constituted right now Congress are Montagues and Capulets. Anyone who crosses the aisle is apt to meet a tragic end.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

And, as has been frequently stated in "panhandler" Supreme Court cases, others have the right to try to persuade you, even if you find those arguments annoying or inconvenient. So it's fine if you want to be annoyed, but don't characterize it as "force".

okay, "force" is not the word, you're right. Let's try this: It's not cool with me when people try to persuade me to vote for their guy by means of transferring guilt. Acceptable? Bunch of pedantics around here.

 

[BassAle]

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phew, ME-2 has flipped back to blue (barely) in the latest polls-only and now-cast on 538

I have a co-worker that was going to vote for Gary Johnson that now is voting for Hillary because our district is so close and he doesn't want it to go to Trump.

 

[geezer]

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Seconded. I would never skip voting. That would be an insult to everyone in every country who has ever fought for the right of self-determination. It is bad enough that I am not an activist. That's the level of my betrayal of our ideals. But voting is IMHO the absolute minimal level of compliance of the requirement of a free people.

“The man who does not read has no advantage over the man who cannot read.”

Likewise with voting.

Also: I don't know about anybody else but when I vote I feel good. I come out of the polling site with a spring in my step, and it's not just because hockey season is starting. For one day I feel connected to and brothers with all my fellow Americans. It's really the only time I feel patriotic, and it feels great.

Now this is not only a great argument for voting, but a good argument to vote Hillary lest those freedoms go by the wayside under the darkness of tyranny. I won't get the same endorphin rush this year, I had to get an absentee ballot. But the vote still counts.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Yeah, and the only ones I see up there that fit that description are Sanders and Warren. I'm sorry I can't come up with anyone on the GOP side. I used to be able to do that.

Two people doesn't get it done.

While I don't fully disagree with their politics, Sanders and Warren are pretty much anti establishment. They are here to blow up the norm and in ways offer a similarly dangerous approach as Trump. We have no idea what totally free would do to the quality of the best higher education system in the world. In general, Obama was the best option. Modestly liberal, progressive, inclusive and popular. Problem is that he couldn't bulldoze his way through opposition to get things executed. That's different than wanting to just blow up the status quo (and probably not getting that executed either).

 

[aparch]

What's the word I'm looking for for this ... oh, yeah ... Presidential. Definitely Presidential.

Welp, thats the end of his presidential campaign. Obama definitely won't win reelection this November.

Wait, what, he's not running?

Oh, right.

 

[Kepler]

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Now this is not only a great argument for voting, but a good argument to vote Hillary lest those freedoms go by the wayside under the darkness of tyranny. I won't get the same endorphin rush this year, I had to get an absentee ballot. But the vote still counts.

I'm lucky, my voting place just changed from an intolerable 2 miles away to about 200 yards. It's a tiny little local library. I will be able to look the 95% of my neighbors voting Trump right in the eye after I've helped send him to the ash heap of 22nd century bar trivia.

No doubt there will be fifteen poll watchers on the look out for Muslims and Negroes.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I know we're stupid -- I grew up with us -- but in all that God considers holy, what is the fundamental brain damage of our gender?!

Shouldn't the bold be "the Flying Spaghetti Monster"?

Mentioning the FSM, I just heard a great question on KNOX-AM (Grand Forks): Which candidate better lives their faith? I'll call it a toss up. Hillary has no discernible religion or faith and shows it; Trump only worships himself and does it well. Toss up.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

Welp, thats the end of his presidential campaign. Obama definitely won't win reelection this November.

Wait, what, he's not running?

Oh, right.

Where was it when he did it and was running in 2008?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XXI: Do you love farce? My fault, I fear.

While I don't fully disagree with their politics, Sanders and Warren are pretty much anti establishment. They are here to blow up the norm and in ways offer a similarly dangerous approach as Trump. We have no idea what totally free would do to the quality of the best higher education system in the world. In general, Obama was the best option. Modestly liberal, progressive, inclusive and popular. Problem is that he couldn't bulldoze his way through opposition to get things executed. That's different than wanting to just blow up the status quo (and probably not getting that executed either).

In my opinion thinking like this is why we need a real left in this country. Thinking Obama is liberal, even modestly, or that Warren and Sanders are "dangerous," is the textbook example of the Overton window.