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Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

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And it wasn't JUST Newt. I don't remember the guy's name who in convinced that President Obama is a Muslim. He feels it deeply. So it must be true.:eek:

It was Antonio Sabato Jr.

And here I thought it was Trump.

Rumor has it he's now saying he didn't have anything to do with the GOP convention except his speech.

But I thought he knew all about Cruz's non-endorsement two hours ahead of time?
 
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< Pauline Kael quote here >

Got it: "I am mystified. I know only one person who voted for Nixon."

The mother of a girlfriend of mine once told me, "I know the election was stolen because everybody I know voted for Mondale."

She was a godd-mn history professor at Texas-Austin and a Harvard PhD!

However, in the case of Kael, it's B.S.

The real quote comes from a speech Kael delivered at the Modern Language Association, on Dec. 28, 1972, as cited by the New York Times (Via Wikipedia):

“I live in a rather special world. I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know. They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.”

Rather than showing out-of-touch insularity on Kael’s part, the quote actually shows Kael is perfectly aware of that insularity and is in fact making light of it. It also shows she’s perfectly aware that there are people out there in the world who don’t share her views, as if she hadn’t yet gleaned that when she was 53 years old in 1972. Or for that matter in the previous election, which was also won by Nixon.

Now this isn't the first time the Kael factoid has been debunked and I've noticed that some rightwing bloggers and columnists have begun hedging a bit by tossing in packing chips such as "allegedly," "perhaps apocryphally," and "attributed to" in their rehashing of this stale accusation, yet lord how they love to lean on this bogus rhetorical stand-by. Even some who are cognizant of the true quote in its original context contort themselves into saying that hey this only makes it more ****ing. Such as John Podhoretz, who argued: "it indicates that Kael was actually acknowledging her provincialism ('I live in a rather special world') and from its perch expressing her distaste for the unwashed masses with whom she sometimes had to share a movie theater. What this indicates is that, even then, liberal provincialism was as proud of its provincialism as any Babbitt." The comedy here is that Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary (just like his daddy before him), believes that he isn't provincial, plumped on his sinecured perch and using moldy phrases like "unwashed masses." I bet his pride could beat Pauline's around the block and then some.
 
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My editorial- this whole hate over policy positions have to end.

It will. It rises and falls, like hem lines.

Not so sure about this. There has always been irrational dislike of opposing parties. Ask the founding fathers and most every president since. Even so, I know that divisions are at pretty much all time highs well beyond those of the past.

The thing about the state of things...is that they track to historical trends. That is if...if there is no permanent change in underlying influencers. The emergence of political media is extremely powerful, and cable and the internet means its pervasive. I can tell you that policies, and perceived right and wrong will change...but based on a new norm in terms of political information, I wouldn't bet against heightened divisiveness being a new norm also.
 
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Got it: "I am mystified. I know only one person who voted for Nixon."

The mother of a girlfriend of mine once told me, "I know the election was stolen because everybody I know voted for Mondale."

She was a godd-mn history professor at Texas-Austin and a Harvard PhD!

Yup.

And what you describe I call the "bubble world" of many folks, in this case academia. She lives in the bubble called the People's Republics of Austin, which is only superseded by the People's Republics of Berkeley, Boulder, and Madison.
 
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Yup.

And what you describe I call the "bubble world" of many folks, in this case academia. She lives in the bubble called the People's Republics of Austin, which is only superseded by the People's Republics of Berkeley, Boulder, and Madison.

As opposed to North Dakota, which I call 1987.
 
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Mike Pence thinks calling someone a Demagogue is name calling.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...g-n619826?cid=playlist=480866&cid=sm_fb_mojoe

Pence, responding directly to the president's comments about Trump at the Democratic convention on Wednesday, told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt: "I don't think name calling has any place in public life, and I thought that was unfortunate that the president of the United States would use a term (demagogue) like that."

Has he listened to the guy he's running with? At all? A couple of minutes? Anything?
 
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Supposedly tDon just tweeted ... "After watching Hillary last night ... Such lies... I'm taking the gloves off...No more Mr. Nice guy."

Not sure if that is an Alice Cooper reference, of it's just plain old ...


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Which seems pretty "dark" especially in light of Reagan's famous optimism. But it also seems clear from the landslide result that it was the sort of message that connected squarely with people who were largely dissatisfied. Will the Dems overarching message of optimism play well now? Seems there's a danger that it might also play in the middle as a disconnected establishment saying "Everything is Awesome!" while the disenchanted feel the Barbarians are at the gates.

lot of that out there. especially amongst peeps who tell rasmussen they voting hilly. she needs to tread lightly or rover will be booking passage to canada or wherever he is escaping to :p
 
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lot of that out there. especially amongst peeps who tell rasmussen they voting hilly. she needs to tread lightly or rover will be booking passage to canada or wherever he is escaping to :p

Rover? France. Definitely France. With Alex Baldwin.
 
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You know, I'm not sure it is true that he consults experts in his business. I'm starting to get the impression that Trump doesn't actually do anything -- he just rents out his name as a franchise, like the Kardashians. I would not be shocked if he would fail if given a freshman business course. His father bought him into Wharton; what says he didn't buy his diploma as well?

That's exactly what Trump is. As far as advisors, I don't think he'll care so much about their expertise, just as long as they're good-looking. Like the doctors he hired for his resorts.

As for Hillary hatred, it's a lot of things. Sure she's a woman. But she's also a woman who won't take chit from men who think they know more than her because she's a woman. Men, especially powerful men, don't care for women who don;'t know their place. Couple that with she's not that attractive, she's got cankles, and her voice his shill and screechy. To them, as Chachi said, she's a C U Next Tuesday.
 
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As for Hillary hatred, it's a lot of things. Sure she's a woman. But she's also a woman who won't take chit from men who think they know more than her because she's a woman. Men, especially powerful men, don't care for women who don;'t know their place. Couple that with she's not that attractive, she's got cankles, and her voice his shill and screechy. To them, as Chachi said, she's a C U Next Tuesday.

mookie hates her cause we should have had universal health care in 1993 and she blew it. :mad:
 
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Supposedly tDon just tweeted ... "After watching Hillary last night ... Such lies... I'm taking the gloves off...No more Mr. Nice guy."
Wait till they debate. Guaranteed he mentions Monica by 2nd debate
 
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Wait till they debate. Guaranteed he mentions Monica by 2nd debate

Good...because while 4/10 people will laugh the rest will completely walk away from it. All you do is make her look like a victim if you attack her over her husbands infidelity and the "no real woman would stay with him" meme dies every time it is tried. Hell Hillary chummed the waters hoping he would nibble when she talked about her and Bill having "Good Times and Bad" or something similar where everyone knew what she was talking about. She wants tDon to come after her for crap like that because not only wont it work but it will prove how desperate he is cause he has nothing else.
 
Not so sure about this. There has always been irrational dislike of opposing parties. Ask the founding fathers and most every president since. Even so, I know that divisions are at pretty much all time highs well beyond those of the past.

The thing about the state of things...is that they track to historical trends. That is if...if there is no permanent change in underlying influencers. The emergence of political media is extremely powerful, and cable and the internet means its pervasive. I can tell you that policies, and perceived right and wrong will change...but based on a new norm in terms of political information, I wouldn't bet against heightened divisiveness being a new norm also.
Dislike is fine. But it has turned into violent hatred. That's my issue. Gabby Giffords wasn't an accident. And things have gotten worse since then. They are just idea from people who love the United States.
 
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Yup.

And what you describe I call the "bubble world" of many folks, in this case academia. She lives in the bubble called the People's Republics of Austin, which is only superseded by the People's Republics of Berkeley, Boulder, and Madison.

She don't live there anymore. Denied tenure and out of academia.

The academic "bubble" is vastly overestimated by non-academics. It exists, but not among top scholars. In fact those scholars are the ones who first started talking about it and studying it. Way back in the 12th century; and they've never stopped.

The scarecrow of the "clueless professor" is part of American anti-intellectualism. I have worked close with hordes of people from academia, business, government and the military. There have been wonders and boobs among each group, but the more consistently intelligent, self-deprecating, and all-around informed people I have met have been in academia.
 
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Yup.

And what you describe I call the "bubble world" of many folks, in this case academia. She lives in the bubble called the People's Republics of Austin, which is only superseded by the People's Republics of Berkeley, Boulder, and Madison.

There's nothing more 'bubble' than, "How big is your bunker?" nation. Here's your cocoon to go along with the halo.
 
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Wait till they debate. Guaranteed he mentions Monica by 2nd debate

He will but he shouldn't. She can say (but she won't) "when my husband cheated on me I stayed with him for our child and worked it out. When you cheated on your first wife, she divorced you. As did your second wife -- the one you cheated on her with."

She won't say it, but everybody blogging the debate will.

That is an instant trap door to doom for him. God I hope he takes that train.
 
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