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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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Handyman said:
Yes I do. There is a difference between me (a person with zero authority) saying it and him doing it. Keep trying though...
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Currently Trump has no power either; however, he's a cult of personality guy, he can read the sentiments of a crowd. You and others in the crowd putting that out there emboldens guys like him to say it and try to do it.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
My problem? I had a natural affinity for brass right away, anything brass, save for the garage door opener*. Then I found percussion; and then I made the mistake of picking up a bass. (To me the percussion and bass make sense with the math/physics part of my brain.)
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I have always wanted to try percussion. I am somewhat ambidextrous and I have a good sense of rhythm and timing so I think it would go well for me.

But I'm not putting my loved ones through that. Living with a drummer is like living here.
 
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Kepler said:
Living with a drummer is like living under the Loop.
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" ... so often you won't even notice it ... " <-- I did that from memory. (An original movie poster is in my media room.)

Percussion. Grew up on farm. Or as Dad said, "I'll help you run power and set up an oil burner in the quanset." :D
 
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Kepler said:
I have always wanted to try percussion. I am somewhat ambidextrous and I have a good sense of rhythm and timing so I think it would go well for me.

But I'm not putting my loved ones through that. Living with a drummer is like living here.
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I am ambidextrous. I can play hockey left or right handed (don't have an NCAA caliber shot either way mind you but I don't embarrass myself), I play golf and baseball right handed, I write left handed, and in my technician life I worked equally well with hand tools on either side. But put me in front of a drum kit and I would lose the rhythm by the third or fourth beat. Actually that's a lie. I'd lose the rhythm by the second beat.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
I am ambidextrous. I can play hockey left or right handed (don't have an NCAA caliber shot either way mind you but I don't embarrass myself), I play golf and baseball right handed, I write left handed, and in my technician life I worked equally well with hand tools on either side.
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Interesting, we're exactly the same. I've tried to explain this as "power functions right, detail functions left" or "below the belt left, above the belt right," but neither is exactly accurate.

Apparently while we're rare we're not the super-duper freaks. Those are the folks like us but exactly reversed -- i.e., right-handed writing, left-handed tennis etc... IIRC we are about 1% of the population while they are .1% of the population.
 
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joecct said:
And therein lies a problem. People used to retire which allowed younger people to fill their spots in the corporate ladder.

If people are working past 55/60/65, then where do the noobs go?
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People used to have defined benefit pension plans provided by their employer. Where did those go?
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
I am ambidextrous.
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I blew out a shoulder (I couldn't lift the elbow above the shoulder without help), but played the rest of the season at the other corner of the diamond throwing with the other hand. My glove hand became the bad shoulder so I told all the infielders to throw it chest high or in the dirt at my feet and I'd dig it out. The shoulder didn't affect my hitting and my BA actually improved because I was so conscious of not wanting to be a drag.
 
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bostonewe said:
Medicare costs spiral because we don't know when to tell people "no". Why is a person with terminal brain cancer with less than 6 months to live offered every single treatment for the pneumonia he's developed, including a tracheostomy when he can't be taken off the ventilator and a PEG tube to feed him. How does this improve his quality of life for his time remaining? But we do it because we can, and when families aren't ready to let go, we will just prolong the suffering.
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And if you don't, people scream about "death panels".
 
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rufus said:
People used to have defined benefit pension plans provided by their employer. Where did those go?
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Honestly, part of it is the more mobile work force of today. Under those plans you were best off working 30 years, getting the watch and the cake, and moving to Boca. The 401k gave the employee the mobility because they owned their retirement. Companies didn't have to manage the defined benefit plans (DBP). And without those DBPs there was no longer a big pool of money for someone with ill intentions to dig into. Instead, now it's all on Wall Street. < gulp >
 
rufus said:
People used to have defined benefit pension plans provided by their employer. Where did those go?
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I have one of those. In the late 80s the Feds phased it out in favor of SS and a 401k (TSP) and a higher retirement age for full bennies.

I got out at 55 with 32 years of service with a 62% pension. If I waited until I was 64, it would have been 80%.
 
rufus said:
And if you don't, people scream about "death panels".
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or they do dying with dignity.

Keep me comfortable. Feed and hydrate me. As to the rest, if I'm on the last mile the machines can be turned off, unless the Red Sox are in the World Series or Clarkson is in the Frozen Four.
 
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joecct said:
I have one of those. In the late 80s the Feds phased it out in favor of SS and a 401k (TSP) and a higher retirement age for full bennies.

I got out at 55 with 32 years of service with a 62% pension. If I waited until I was 64, it would have been 80%.
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For certain. Private companies took that obligation off their books in pursuit of ever more profits, and dumped it all in the lap of the government.
 
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rufus said:
People used to have defined benefit pension plans provided by their employer. Where did those go?
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I have a pension. I was hired 26 days before my company stopped offering them.

Any day now they're going to freeze them even for legacies, though.
 
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Kepler said:
I have a pension. I was hired 26 days before my company stopped offering them.

Any day now they're going to freeze them even for legacies, though.
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Actuaries ****ed them all up. It's amazing the numbers they used. They assumed an endless stream of cash. Cashed out themselves. Moved to the Bahamas. And then laughed at all the poor retirees that had to take massive cuts to their benefits.

Now we give it all to Wall Street where it's even worse.

We should privatize more things.
 
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joecct said:
or they do dying with dignity.

Keep me comfortable. Feed and hydrate me. As to the rest, if I'm on the last mile the machines can be turned off, unless the Red Sox are in the World Series or Clarkson is in the Frozen Four.
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One of the bigger problems: Too many people don't write down their wishes (Medical POA and/or living will). I say that as someone who has acted under one and is acting under another (plus a full fiduciary and guardianship POA). It sounds cruel and terrible, but knew exactly what the wishes were and ensured they were carried out.

If more people actually thought about it I believe it (cost of prolonged care for irreparable situations) would solve itself.
 
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Kepler said:
I have a pension. I was hired 26 days before my company stopped offering them.

Any day now they're going to freeze them even for legacies, though.
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I have one as well. Vesting occurs after 5 years. Almost everyone in my industry still has a defined benefit plan. They offer what has become the now traditional defined contribution plan as well, but because of the pension do not offer an employer match.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
One of the bigger problems: Too many people don't write down their wishes (Medical POA and/or living will). I say that as someone who has acted under one and is acting under another (plus a full fiduciary and guardianship POA). It sounds cruel and terrible, but knew exactly what the wishes were and ensured they were carried out.

If more people actually thought about it I believe it (cost of prolonged care for irreparable situations) would solve itself.
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It's not cruel or terrible at all. It's the right thing to do. I think parents are starting to figure it out and plan and involve their kids not to put them through hell. My parents' generation (now in their 90s) was awful about it. Combined with their general Depression Era reticence that made every godd-amn decision 20x more difficult, plus the overdetermining effed up attitudes towards everything from religion to illness to self-reliance that characterizes the neuroses of that generation, it made it impossible to have a conversation about these issues. The next generation down is a lot less f-cked up in the head, at least about this.
 
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