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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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WeAreNDHockey said:
Trump is appealing to a far more ugly vibe. The things you mention are not ugly at all, but legitimate campaign topics. The only reason Trump has an electoral pulse is because people who think like the stars of Duck Dynasty are simply a lot more prevalent than makes open minded people comfortable. There is 1000 times more hate and bigotry in every corner of this country than even I would have believed a year ago.
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Interestingly I'm not as surprised as some are at the racism in the GOP. Or more specifically, I'm not surprised how non-racists in the GOP will tolerate racism in order to achieve their goals. In this regard I think me and people like maybe Kep disagree. John McCain, Bob Dole, etc - people who I never would ascribe racism to have no problem backing Trump. Well, maybe they're not as bad as the people waving the Confederate flag at Trump rallies but really at some point its a distinction without a difference. The Southern Strategy of Nixon. Lee Atwater. Willie Horton ads. Welfare Queens. Somebody is voting GOP based on these issues, and have been for the past 50 years.

I have been surprised at how some people I know, particularly older family members, are buying into this crap though. That's a shame and its something my grandparents (the WWII generation) would be a lot less likely to go for IMHO.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
No, it's 63 years and 4 days. (It's noted near the top in your link.)

I can't believe ND's delegation is "young" in the Senate.
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You're right.

Hawaii's was amazing when Inouye and Akaka were still there. When Akaka stepped down they were both 88. Inouye served in the Hawaiian territorial Senate and was elected with Hawaii's first Congressional delegation after statehood, and was still serving in 2012.
 
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Kepler said:
I have a pension. I was hired 26 days before my company stopped offering them.

Any day now they're going to freeze them even for legacies, though.
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My company, and most large ones I'm guessing, still offer pensions. They're just defined contribution pensions instead of defined benefit.

I get 3% of my gross deposited into a separate account.
 
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Here comes the bump.

Hillary > 60 in NowCast. Trump crashing in FL, NV, NC and sliding a bit in OH. Those are the closest 4 states and are all counted in Trump's 254 EV.

Meanwhile, the Senate has pretty much collapsed all state-specific effects and is traveling right alongside the presidential track.

The 538 Senate page is gorgeous. Clean and simple. I wish TBRW? looked like that (and was optimized for phones like that).
 
Kepler said:
Here comes the bump.

Hillary > 60 in NowCast. Trump crashing in FL, NV, NC and sliding a bit in OH. Those are the closest 4 states and are all counted in Trump's 254 EV.

Meanwhile, the Senate has pretty much collapsed all state-specific effects and is traveling right alongside the presidential track.

The 538 Senate page is gorgeous. Clean and simple. I wish TBRW? looked like that (and was optimized for phones like that).
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Yes, but TBRW harkens back to olden times when Cornell was actually relavent in the college hockey world.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
My company, and most large ones I'm guessing, still offer pensions. They're just defined contribution pensions instead of defined benefit.

I get 3% of my gross deposited into a separate account.
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If it's included in the same statement as your 401(k), that's not a pension. It's either profit sharing or contribution matching. It's often called a separate account by many firms, but it's more accurately described as a sub-account of your 401(k) plan.

My company had a pension when I first started, then in my second year it was discontinued. I will receive about $200/month when I hit retirement age. In addition to that, I receive matching contributions to my 401(k) and a discretionary profit sharing contribution, which has been paid every year other than two: 2007 and 2008, for some reason unknown reason...
 
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@shomaristone: Michelle Obama on Clinton: "No one in our lifetime has ever had as much experience and exposure to the presidency" @FLOTUS #hillary

Try looking at the Help, Mrs. Obama. They've seen and heard more than what you know.

However, exposure <> experience. Neither of them knows what it means to be president and won't until 12:01 pm on 1/20/17.
 
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joecct said:
@shomaristone: Michelle Obama on Clinton: "No one in our lifetime has ever had as much experience and exposure to the presidency" @FLOTUS #hillary

Try looking at the Help, Mrs. Obama. They've seen and heard more than what you know.

However, exposure <> experience. Neither of them knows what it means to be president and won't until 12:01 pm on 1/20/17.
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:rolleyes:
 
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joecct said:
@shomaristone: Michelle Obama on Clinton: "No one in our lifetime has ever had as much experience and exposure to the presidency" @FLOTUS #hillary

Try looking at the Help, Mrs. Obama. They've seen and heard more than what you know.

However, exposure <> experience. Neither of them knows what it means to be president and won't until 12:01 pm on 1/20/17.
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No offense but I will take her opinion over yours every day of the week and twice on Sundays...

Apparently Everyone Wants to Know All of the Lies Drumpf Told

"As of this morning, at least 6 million people had flocked to a transcript of the debate that was fact-checked by 20 NPR journalists in real-time.

The transcript, which ran more than 40 pages, was an experiment in real-time fact-checking for NPR that was weeks in the making. It proved to be an overwhelming success for the public radio network, drawing 7.4 million pageviews and delivering NPR.org's its biggest traffic day ever."
 
Kepler said:
Congress is your crazy great-uncle. They're old and completely disassociated from the real world. The median age in the Senate is 65. 25 are over 70. 14 are over 75. 13 are older than Bernie Sanders.

The Senate is a snapshot of the America Trump wants to go back to: white, male, Christian and out of touch. The country has moved on, our ruling class has not.
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Hopefully they all die soon.
 
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The real hoot from that article?

Mr. 9/11 said:
Giuliani said the GOP nominee's biggest mistake during the debate was being "too reserved and too gentlemanly."
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Handyman said:
No offense but I will take her opinion over yours every day of the week and twice on Sundays...

Apparently Everyone Wants to Know All of the Lies Drumpf Told

"As of this morning, at least 6 million people had flocked to a transcript of the debate that was fact-checked by 20 NPR journalists in real-time.

The transcript, which ran more than 40 pages, was an experiment in real-time fact-checking for NPR that was weeks in the making. It proved to be an overwhelming success for the public radio network, drawing 7.4 million pageviews and delivering NPR.org's its biggest traffic day ever."
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Pundidiotry has been slow to catch up to what a disaster this debate was for Trump. He laid the biggest egg ever in front of the biggest audience ever in terms of debates. So he got killed the night of the debate, got killed in the write up of the debate the next day, and got killed on Tuesday over his war with the former Miss Universe. This is what pushes people who like Hillary on issues but don't like her into her camp. The guy came off as a fuking lunatic. Worse his lies are being fact checked by the masses. Meanwhile did Hillary say anything that turned out to be false? If she did the right dropped the ball thus far on pointing it out.

This is what separates the Clinton team from the Gore/Kerry/whoever team. They don't wait for the media to interpret the results. They won the debate and won the post debate narrative. Unfortunately one is as important as the other.
 
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joecct said:
Yes, but TBRW harkens back to olden times when Cornell was actually relavent in the college hockey world.

(sorry, I couldn't resist)
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Slowly I turned...
 
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Rover said:
This is what separates the Clinton team from the Gore/Kerry/whoever team. They don't wait for the media to interpret the results. They won the debate and won the post debate narrative. Unfortunately one is as important as the other.
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They watched those 1980s Atwater GOP campaigns and they learned from them. They watched Dukakis murdered by not responding to GOP lies and half-truths quickly enough to control the media cycle. This should tell the youngins how radically the internet has changed politics: in 1992 the Clinton campaign was called "revolutionary" because they set up a "quick response" team whose job was to counter opposition narratives in time to make the nightly TV news. Axelrod was called a genius in 2008 for setting up the infrastructure to respond to attacks and libels within the hour. And now Twitter enables the Clinton campaign to respond to Trump's avalanche of hate and untruth instantly. I'm not sure where they can go next. Time travel? :p
 
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Kepler said:
They watched those 1980s Atwater GOP campaigns and they learned from them. They watched Dukakis murdered by not responding to GOP lies and half-truths quickly enough to control the media cycle. This should tell the youngins how radically the internet has changed politics: in 1992 the Clinton campaign was called "revolutionary" because they set up a "quick response" team whose job was to counter opposition narratives in time to make the nightly TV news. Axelrod was called a genius in 2008 for setting up the infrastructure to respond to attacks and libels within the hour. And now Twitter enables the Clinton campaign to respond to Trump's avalanche of hate and untruth instantly. I'm not sure where they can go next. Time travel? :p
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This struggle must be organised, according to “all the rules of the art”

--Lenin

Bill Clinton calculated that he could not win in 1992 unless he used Sister Souljah to bait Jesse Jackson, put a black chain gang in a crime control ad, golfed at a segregated club with a TV camera crew in tow, and allowed that search for a serviceable vein in Rickey Ray Rector’s arm
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Whatever gets you through your life
It's all right, it's all right
Do it wrong, or do it right
It's all right, it's all right
-- Lennon

:D
 
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Kepler said:
They watched those 1980s Atwater GOP campaigns and they learned from them. They watched Dukakis murdered by not responding to GOP lies and half-truths quickly enough to control the media cycle. This should tell the youngins how radically the internet has changed politics: in 1992 the Clinton campaign was called "revolutionary" because they set up a "quick response" team whose job was to counter opposition narratives in time to make the nightly TV news. Axelrod was called a genius in 2008 for setting up the infrastructure to respond to attacks and libels within the hour. And now Twitter enables the Clinton campaign to respond to Trump's avalanche of hate and untruth instantly. I'm not sure where they can go next. Time travel? :p
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So, just to ask. Kerry didn't do this or what?
 
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