Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

[Kepler]

Continue.

 

[aparch]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Carrying over from the old thread:

Oh, there's even better stuff in that poll:

Among those who say they will vote for Trump, ... 33 percent say the government would default on its debt; ...

...

Declare Chapter 11, sell off vast and valuable swaths of national park land, wipe the debt clean, and move on.

Why didn't the US Government think of doing that decades ago!?!

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

More fun in the new world.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

More fun in the new world.

Are you purposefully re-posting things I posted a couple days ago

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Among those who say they will vote for Trump, 48 percent say he’ll create a database to track Muslims; 36 percent say there will be race riots; 33 percent say the government would default on its debt; and 32 percent say Trump would punish his political opponents and authorize internment camps for illegal immigrants.

The red portion: Uh, we kinda have that now. See: Charlotte, Ferguson, et al.

The purple portion: Show me a politician that hasn't gone to office and tried to punish political opponents. (That's what politics is.)

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

The racial tension that will result from a Drumpf win could set this country back decades...

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Declare Chapter 11, sell off vast and valuable swaths of national park land, wipe the debt clean, and move on.

Why didn't the US Government think of doing that decades ago!?!

I've actually seen folks propose just that. They wouldn't sell off national parks, but they would sell off the vast properties that the Federal government owns in the west.

I point out that bankruptcy ruins your credit and makes you unable to borrow as you are now a documented credit risk.

They retorted, "Why is that a bad thing. Make the government balance the budget and live on current revenues. It would force the government to improve the economy to generate more tax revenue."

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Are you purposefully re-posting things I posted a couple days ago

Oops. Sorry.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Another century streak broken.

How many red flags do you need?

Equal time for our resident Trump supporters.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

From Sicatoka in the last thread.

She's already made an emotion appeal toward (at?) them ... calling them "deplorable".

To which I say, if he had bothered to read her entire statement, which I posted earlier in that thread, he would know that she went out of her way to separate the deplorables from the rest of the "great unwashed masses".

Ol' Sica's learned a lot about obfuscation from the Trump campaign.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

No candidate in recent memory (history?) has made such statement about broad sectors of the electorate, yet Mrs. Clinton did. It was stunning and a very questionable move (whether or not the characterization is correct). All of the old "never do that's" have become SOP for both candidates.

Like I said in the prior thread, this election is upside-down, inside-out, and reversed. With left-handed threads.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

No candidate in recent memory (history?) has made such statement about broad sectors of the electorate, yet Mrs. Clinton did. It was stunning and a very questionable move (whether or not the characterization is correct). All of the old "never do that's" have become SOP for both candidates.

Like I said in the prior thread, this election is upside-down, inside-out, and reversed. With left-handed threads.

Yeah, she did. And it was true. Did you see what the Trump Campaign in Ohio said?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/22/trump-ohio-campaign-chair-no-racism-before-obama

Or the elected official in North Carolina?

http://www.attn.com/stories/11566/congressman-robert-pittenger-says-black-people-jealous

It's time these people got called out for what they are. If Mrs. Clinton is the only one with balls to do it, so be it.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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It's time these people got called out for what they are. If Mrs. Clinton is the only one with balls to do it, so be it.

In the past, the Veep candidate was the one with the knife (axe?, sledgehammer?) calling out the other candidate and their followers. Seeing the top of the ticket do it is the political shift I'm commenting on. Nothing more.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

In the past, the Veep candidate was the one with the knife (axe?, sledgehammer?) calling out the other candidate and their followers. Seeing the top of the ticket do it is the political shift I'm commenting on. Nothing more.

I don't think the Veeps were even calling out this ****. This **** is new. This **** needs to end. This **** needs to be over. They can take their skittles analogy and their xenophobia and move to the Middle East where it's accepted.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

No candidate in recent memory (history?) has made such statement about broad sectors of the electorate, yet Mrs. Clinton did.

Are you joking? The 2004 Bush campaign essentially called liberals and libertarians traitors for not marching lock step with the administration. And every GOP candidate for the last 30 years has run their mouth about "hurr hurr real America," consigning everybody who lives on the coasts or scored over 1100 on their SATs to the ash heap of The Other.

What Clinton did was give the right back a tiny measure of the barrels of bile and hatred they have been drowning us in for generations, and the right wailed like a scalded puppy. The Clintons' major horrific crime is they don't turn the other cheek when the Echo Chamber turns on their garbage sprayer. That's what was so shocking about Clinton's statement.

The RNC and the GOP and a large number of their followers are just textbook schoolyard bullies, who instantly collapse into a pool of tears and cry for Mommy the moment some kid gets fed up with the months of bullying and fights back.

Here is my heartfelt apology to Les Deplorables and all their pearl clutching enablers.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Are you joking? The 2004 Bush campaign essentially ...

Essentially.
Mrs. Clinton ... did.

Maybe it's me, probably is me, but I'd have rather seen Kaine be the attack dog and let Hillary stay Presidential. (Trump just can't pull off "Presidential" even if he hired a stand-in.)

 

[rufus]

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They retorted, "Why is that a bad thing. Make the government balance the budget and live on current revenues. It would force the government to improve the economy to generate more tax revenue."

Are these the same people that also say the government doesn't create jobs, and that stimulus programs are useless in spurring economic growth, and that those things are best left to the private sector?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Are these the same people that also say the government doesn't create jobs, and that stimulus programs are useless in spurring economic growth, and that those things are best left to the private sector?

Strangely enough, a few are/were.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

Essentially.
Mrs. Clinton ... did.

Maybe it's me, probably is me, but I'd have rather seen Kaine be the attack dog and let Hillary stay Presidential. (Trump just can't pull off "Presidential" even if he hired a stand-in.)

I'm not buyin' it. I think there is a fair measure of this:

She refrains: "she's weak."
She attacks: "she's shrill."

SSDD for every woman trying to fight to the top in any profession.

Hillary is an interesting case of a pioneer. Obama was like Jackie Robinson -- he had to be ten times better than the average president, and a hundred times more cool headed and patient, not to rise to the tidal wave of racism thrown at him for the last 8 years. And like Robinson he was, and he emerges from it without a hair out of place, while every one of his self-appointed Destroyers Of Uppity N-ggers has left the field looking like a dunce, an insect, or worse.

Now you would think a woman would need to be the same, but Hillary has exactly none of that Zen Buddha nature. When you f-ck with her she'll either delegate it if you're not important or f-ck you back so hard so fast you won't realize until it's too late.

This is a New Approach to breaking the glass ceiling. It will be... interesting.

 

[rufus]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

No candidate in recent memory (history?) has made such statement about broad sectors of the electorate, yet Mrs. Clinton did. It was stunning and a very questionable move (whether or not the characterization is correct). All of the old "never do that's" have become SOP for both candidates.

Like I said in the prior thread, this election is upside-down, inside-out, and reversed. With left-handed threads.

Nope, has never happened.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who pay no income tax. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."