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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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mookie1995 said:
mookie's cop brother thought tD killed her last night.
1/2 of mookie's cc members thought he also won big.

people see what they want to see.....
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Agreed. One of my Facebook friends who haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates HRC and looooooooooooves tD thinks he did great and all she did was lie. Um, really? If the bar is set that he did great because he didn't implode or resort to name calling, etc., that's pretty sad.
 
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SJHovey said:
The answer is obvious. But that's not how the vast majority of the country watches these debates.

To Ivy League graduates, to doctors, to lawyers, to engineers, to people who love debating, I have no doubt that HRC came across as brilliant. But, as difficult as it may be for you, pretend like you have a 10th grade education and you're working at an ethanol plant in the midwest or as a coal miner in West Virginia. How'd she come across then? I'm curious, because like I said, I didn't see the debate. But from what I've seen of her, I doubt that she came across that likable or warm. Why do you think there are so many lawyer jokes, out of affection?
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After the debate Dr. Mrs. asked me who I thought won the debate for the majority of viewers. I said I don't know, I can't see the debate the way they see it. Nor do I think there's some monolithic "people of the land" mindset out there -- I assume all those people whose heads I have trouble crawling inside fracture into many, many subgroups who all see things differently not just from the Academic Conveyor Belt but also from each other. Why would a Maine fisherman and a Wyoming rancher have anymore the same mindset as a San Diego attorney and a Bethesda surgeon? Yes, there are probably shared values that derive from similar economic position -- the working class tends to fall for the "I come from humble roots" schtick, while the smirking* class falls for the "talk less, think more" affect. But where you stand depends on where you sit and workers have as diverse personal interests as the managerial strata.

So I can't see the same debate most of the country sees, and so I can't really answer your question about how Hillary comes across to someone with a completely different life experience and mindset. All I know is that there are times when she comes across as insincere and lawyerly to me, and that can't be good. :)


* I like the working class / smirking class phonics, but I hope everybody realizes that everybody smirks. Look at how Flag and others use "Ivy League" as an insult. Oppositional identity formation isn't just for people who know the term. The gold key that unlocks the pleasure/anger center in all monkey brains is "us vs them."
 
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Scarlet said:
Agreed. One of my Facebook friends who haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates HRC and looooooooooooves tD thinks he did great and all she did was lie. Um, really? If the bar is set that he did great because he didn't implode or resort to name calling, etc., that's pretty sad.
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The Time poll is currently 55/45 Trump, with over 1.5 million votes cast. Even allowing for FreshBots and other tricks, it only goes to show what we assumed.
 
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Kepler said:
The Time poll is currently 55/45 Trump, with over 1.5 million votes cast. Even allowing for FreshBots and other tricks, it only goes to show what we assumed.
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You're now relying on internet polls to justify bedwetting? Geesh Kep, what would you be like if Trump had actually won the debate? :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
The Time poll is currently 55/45 Trump, with over 1.5 million votes cast. Even allowing for FreshBots and other tricks, it only goes to show what we assumed.
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You are better than that...the Time poll is like barely a step above your poll here in the cafe ;)
 
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Scarlet said:
Agreed. One of my Facebook friends who haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaates HRC and looooooooooooves tD thinks he did great and all she did was lie. Um, really? If the bar is set that he did great because he didn't implode or resort to name calling, etc., that's pretty sad.
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That is where the bar is set.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
That is where the bar is set.
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For you and his followers yes. For the rest you are sadly mistaken.

And before you cite the Time poll...do you judge the movies based on how they rate on IMDB?
 
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Handyman said:
For you and his followers yes. For the rest you are sadly mistaken.

And before you cite the Time poll...do you judge the movies based on how they rate on IMDB?
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Don't need the Time poll. I'll wait for the real polls to come out.
 
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Rover said:
So...you go out searching for bad news and then post something when you find it? :confused:
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Sigh. No, Rover. I went looking for a poll and that's the first one I hit. Trump's 55ness isn't the main takeaway from that poll -- it's that his number is above 29 or so. That's the point of the poll -- the fact that after watching that debate Trump is even in the discussion, let alone in the lead.

I gotta say, man, your ad hom stuff is really getting on my nerves. Handy's post is "blather" and I'm "bedwetting" because we don't 100% agree with your Kellyanne Conway "I'm with Her" hot takes? Even Flag is more polite than you these days. Check yourself.
 
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Kepler said:
Sigh. No, Rover. I went looking for a poll and that's the first one I hit. Trump's 55ness isn't the main takeaway from that poll -- it's that his number is above 29 or so. That's the point of the poll -- the fact that after watching that debate Trump is even in the discussion, let alone in the lead.

I gotta say, man, your ad hom stuff is really getting on my nerves. Handy's post is "blather" and I'm "bedwetting" because we don't 100% agree with your Kellyanne Conway "I'm with Her" hot takes? Even Flag is more polite than you these days. Check yourself.
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Hey now...Scooby is blather...Rover is agreeing with me these days :eek:
 
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Kepler said:
Sigh. No, Rover. I went looking for a poll and that's the first one I hit. Trump's 55ness isn't the main takeaway from that poll -- it's that his number is above 29 or so. That's the point of the poll -- the fact that after watching that debate Trump is even in the discussion, let alone in the lead.

I gotta say, man, your ad hom stuff is really getting on my nerves. Handy's post is "blather" and I'm "bedwetting" because we don't 100% agree with your Kellyanne Conway "I'm with Her" hot takes? Even Flag is more polite than you these days. Check yourself.
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Kep, as your internet friend I'm doing you a service. As Daniel Webster once said, "I'd rather speak of true rather than pleasing things. I'd of course like to please you, but I'd prefer to save you, whatever be your attitude towards me", or something like that. Been a long time since I read his biography.

But the constant sky is falling shtick is beneath you and a waste of your abilities. So, reassure yourself with a couple of thoughts:

1) You have to get past the notion that Trump should be losing by 30 points. Hapless John McCain ran as an extension of GWB's 3rd term in the middle of the disaster of the Iraq War and the worst recession in living memory (for most people)....and he still got 45% of the vote. That's just where people who are either in their 60's and 70's or uneducated are at.

2) Trump has gone nowhere in moving outside of his core supporters. He cannot win this race on the backs of uneducated whites. They just aren't that much of the population (36% in 2012). He's consistently losing educated people and non-whites. These two groups probably make up 65% of the 2016 electorate at least. They're also the segments that are gaining each cycle.

So take a deep breath and stop googling "Trump won". He lost, badly, and he's running out of time to do anything to change his fate.
 
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Posting about the actual tightness of the polling is not a "sky is falling" act. It's data.

She is ahead and I think she's going to win, but I would REALLY like to get some godd-mn insurance runs because when you let a crappy opponent hang around bad stuff can happen.
 
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