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Campaign 2016 Part XIX: Escape from the Planet of Debates

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Handyman said:
BTW Gore did win the debate, the problem is people didnt like Gore and he made dumb *** decisions.
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Well, um, that's not really a good precedent for Hillary. ;)

But the difference is people hate Trump too. Both candidates preached to the converted last night. Trump already had the full throated support of his followers -- he has fewer but they all go up to 11. Hillary, OTOH, still had some residual hangover from the DNC Screw Job with liberals being less excited by her. Last night she energized those folks by standing up to the bully. She was awesome -- she had a tough balance to strike and she did so both in her prepared remarks and her off the cuff responses. She did do what she needs to do to win: she brought her supporters closer and made liberals feel more comfortable. And for those 17 undecideds out there she showed us a president debating a buffoon.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I think the one thing that everyone in forgetting today is where the goalposts were going into the debate. The expectations for Hillary were off the charts. The expectations for Trump was that he showed up and could speak in sentences.

Given that fact. Trump won. Hillary in my mind did not exceed expectations for the debate. Trump did. Anyone who thinks the same scale applies is kidding themselves. 1996 was the last time the same scale was used.
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No he didnt. The expectations BS only worked if he played it close, and no one thought he played it close. If the Right pundits are "blaming the refs" it is because he got trounced.

And please stop using the word "fact" because apparently you dont know what one is ;)
 
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Kepler said:
Well, um, that's not really a good precedent for Hillary. ;)

But the difference is people hate Trump too. Both candidates preached to the converted last night. Trump already had the full throated support of his followers -- he has fewer but they all go up to 11. Hillary, OTOH, still had some residual hangover from the DNC Screw Job with liberals being less excited by her. Last night she energized those folks by standing up to the bully. She was awesome -- she had a tough balance to strike and she did so both in her prepared remarks and her off the cuff responses. She did do what she needs to do to win: she brought her supporters closer and made liberals feel more comfortable. And for those 17 undecideds out there she showed us a president debating a buffoon.
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That is the key right there. People liked Dubya cause he was "Aw Shucks-y" and had a recognizable name. 60% of America hates Drumpf including overwhelming majorities of women and minorities. The key is getting them to vote...
 
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Oddly enough this debate should have been Trump's strength. The economy, jobs, and national security are all issues he's made central to his campaign. What's going to happen when the subject matter turns to the environment, abortion rights, same sex marriage, etc etc? Or worse yet, foreign policy?
 
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Handyman said:
No he didnt. The expectations BS only worked if he played it close, and no one thought he played it close. If the Right pundits are "blaming the refs" it is because he got trounced.

And please stop using the word "fact" because apparently you dont know what one is ;)
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Didn't Trump's campaign manager call him the Babe Ruth of debating a couple of days ago? :eek: Must have been Ruth during his last season playing for the Braves. :D
 
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On whether Scooby is in fact, an idiot:

Scooby is a type of genius that has developed the perfect system for both the internet and being a gofer fan. After years of watching the Gophers fall apart down the stretch, he brilliantly developed this Eeyore-ian pessimism about everything he wants to happen. If he's wrong, so much the better and no one cares, if he's right he is at least left with that as some solace. It translates so well to nearly all internet discussions and pushes things along so nicely that the main objection I have is that I wish I had thought of the persona myself ten years ago.

To turn a phrase from a past debate -- I know idiots. I work with idiots. I have friends who are idiots. And Scooby, sir, is no idiot.*




*He is however a stinkin' gopher fan, which may render this whole point moot.
 
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Handyman said:
That is the key right there. People liked Dubya cause he was "Aw Shucks-y" and had a recognizable name. 60% of America hates Drumpf including overwhelming majorities of women and minorities. The key is getting them to vote...
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If they vote and they vote in overwhelming majorities for Clinton it will be almost as important as electing Barack Obama for the electorate. I don't see it. I think for that kind of vote to happen people have to want to vote for you. I think even though Trump's supporter window is smaller his 42% want to vote for him more than Hillary's supporters want to vote for her. That's how I see it and that's how the polls have been pretty much all along.
 
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Handyman said:
60% of America hates Drumpf including overwhelming majorities of women and minorities. The key is getting them to vote...
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Every woman who sees this ad will vote.

Dr. Mrs. pointed out something interesting as we were watching last night. According to her, Trump's constant interruptions (23-4 IINM) will trigger an association in every woman's brain of THAT GUY who blusters and interrupts and mansplains. The experience of THAT GUY is universal among women, regardless of their background -- they meet him in school and business and especially in dating. THAT GUY is, after an actual physical abuser, the most hated person on the face of the Earth. And Trump is THAT GUY.

She said it's not so much that it makes the voting decision easier but that it will motivate women to get to the polls. Essentially it's like black people watching a Klansman get the nomination. Nothing's going to stop them from voting.
 
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After two pages of drivel and cheerleading... I'd say my analysis of polarisation is pretty spot on. Infowars is saying CNN's poll was rigged because of the number of democrats asked, and then show 30 polls, most of which show Trump leading (I assume they only threw in a few of the Hill-dawg wins to be "fair"). They're just as polarising.

I assume no one got alcohol poisoning from the show on this board...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
After two pages of drivel and cheerleading... I'd say my analysis of polarisation is pretty spot on. Infowars is saying CNN's poll was rigged because of the number of democrats asked, and then show 30 polls, most of which show Trump leading (I assume they only threw in a few of the Hill-dawg wins to be "fair"). They're just as polarising.

I assume no one got alcohol poisoning from the show on this board...
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You just go on believing that Sparky. ;)
 
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Kepler said:
Every woman who sees this ad will vote.

Dr. Mrs. pointed out something interesting as we were watching last night. According to her, Trump's constant interruptions (23-4 IINM) will trigger an association in every woman's brain of THAT GUY who blusters and interrupts and mansplains. The experience of THAT GUY is universal among women, regardless of their background -- they meet him in school and business and especially in dating. THAT GUY is, after an actual physical abuser, the most hated person on the face of the Earth. And Trump is THAT GUY.

She said it's not so much that it makes the voting decision easier but that it will motivate women to get to the polls. Essentially it's like black people watching a Klansman get the nomination. Nothing's going to stop them from voting.
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I have a very close family member who will vote for Trump. She believes that women are not ready to be President. I'm pretty sure she's not alone in her thinking.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I have a very close family member who will vote for Trump. She believes that women are not ready to be President. I'm pretty sure she's not alone in her thinking.
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Tell her the Bible says women shouldn't vote.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I have a very close family member who will vote for Trump. She believes that women are not ready to be President. I'm pretty sure she's not alone in her thinking.
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So its something hereditary with you? That explains things...
 
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Rover said:
So its something hereditary with you? That explains things...
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No, it's not. I'm voting for Hillary. I supported Hillary in '08. I've been waiting to vote for her for 10 years now. My mother and father are also voting for Hillary. Along with many others in my extended family.

Try again.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, it's not. I'm voting for Hillary. I supported Hillary in '08. I've been waiting to vote for her for 10 years now. My mother and father are also voting for Hillary. Along with many others in my extended family.

Try again.
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Then there's hope for you yet!

Moving on from your blather, Hillary's team is already cutting ads based on the debate. Both the taxes issue and the stiffing people I believe. This also gives great fodder as her surrogates (Obama, Sanders, Warren) start fanning out across the country.

Frankly, we couldn't have realistically asked for a better outcome. Short of Trump having a mental breakdown and storming off the stage. The best part is there's tons more to hit him with, and Hillary (not the world's best debater) didn't try to cram in all the attacks at once. He'll never get away from birtherism, and she hasn't brought up the part about all Mexicans being rapists, or attacking a Gold Star family, or making fun of a disabled person, or an ex-POW. Nothing yet about him being under investigation with his charity and bribing the Florida AG into dropping the case. Or how he uses the charity to pay his legal settlements. What she's doing is what the media was either too cowardly or too lazy to do, which is hold him accountable using his own words. He's got nowhere to go here. If he tones it down he's going to look neutered. If he doubles down on his losing strategy from the first debate good luck with that. Frankly I find it hard to believe he can keep his cool for more than 5 minutes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e9b033e9b69b3019a1e037/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b
 
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