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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!

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With each passing day I think we're all just dinosaurs building snowmen. We're not taking this seriously enough. I don't think Trump is going to be elected but if he somehow does, some day in the not so distant future we are going to be the dinosaurs and Trump is going to be the asteroid crashing into Chicxulub.
 
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Bad plan. When I was in school, even SCSU prided itself on being able to attract students from outside of Minnesota. And this is SCSU, hardly the greatest attraction to people from other states. How tribal does she intend to make this country by discouraging people from attending public schools in other states by way of over encouraging students to stay local?

Also, attacking the tuition rate issues from the demand side hasn't worked for close to thirty years now. Clearly, we shouldn't change that philosophy in the least.
 
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I've actually seen 3-4 Hilary ads up here, nothing from Trump.

Though "Alaska" Senator Dan Sullivan has been rumored as one of the VP Candidates...
 
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Bad plan. When I was in school, even SCSU prided itself on being able to attract students from outside of Minnesota. And this is SCSU, hardly the greatest attraction to people from other states. How tribal does she intend to make this country by discouraging people from attending public schools in other states by way of over encouraging students to stay local?

Also, attacking the tuition rate issues from the demand side hasn't worked for close to thirty years now. Clearly, we shouldn't change that philosophy in the least.

Don't know enough...but am skeptical as well. Be very careful if you change any entire system from 'for profit' to gratis and vice versa. We have no idea of the impacts (in this case, quality of education).
 
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Don't know enough...but am skeptical as well. Be very careful if you change any entire system from 'for profit' to gratis and vice versa. We have no idea of the impacts (in this case, quality of education).

Someone still has to pay for the salaries and whatnot. Just saying.
 
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I don't see a blanket free tuition bill passing. I can see some help for tuition for families making less than some amount. 125k isn't that amount. Pushing kids into certain areas might not be a bad idea. Trades people are getting older and older as students are pushed to 4 yr degrees. You can fund it with defense dept funds, that ought to make folks scream bloody murder.
 
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I don't see a blanket free tuition bill passing. I can see some help for tuition for families making less than some amount. 125k isn't that amount. Pushing kids into certain areas might not be a bad idea. Trades people are getting older and older as students are pushed to 4 yr degrees. You can fund it with defense dept funds, that ought to make folks scream bloody murder.

If not 125K, what is the right amount? If I were selfish I'd want something higher, so I can benefit from it for my almost 8 year old son, but we've also been saving for his college since he was born and I understand some people don't have that luxury.

I definitely think trades are the best choice for some people, and we need more people going into those fields.
 
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Do it for the poors and the midde class. F-ck the rich.

Basically, the opposite of Reagan to undo the last thirty years of theft.

well, if you jack up taxes on the rich doesn't that mean they're paying for it indirectly? Raise taxes on the rich and increase funding to higher education. You don't charge rich people more to visit a national park.
 
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Rudy, who headquartered NYC's emergency response team in the World Trade Center? Bernie Kerik's best bud? Rudy 911? That Rudy?

Sorry, he lost any and all credibility a long long time ago.

He didn't write the law he was referencing, however.

"Gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness." Not really a difference in my world, either.
 
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well, if you jack up taxes on the rich doesn't that mean they're paying for it indirectly? Raise taxes on the rich and increase funding to higher education. You don't charge rich people more to visit a national park.

Jack up taxes on the rich and means test public programs.
 
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If you want the free tuition then you have to live with certain restrictions such as perhaps attending the public university system in your state. If you're dying to go to the University of Miami or something because you're not looking forward to spending 4 years cuddling up to Maine chicks, so be it but its on your own dime.

125K seems a little high for a threshold and this needs to be a one time benefit so no people from Delta House spending 8 years in college. ;)
 
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If not 125K, what is the right amount? If I were selfish I'd want something higher, so I can benefit from it for my almost 8 year old son, but we've also been saving for his college since he was born and I understand some people don't have that luxury.

I definitely think trades are the best choice for some people, and we need more people going into those fields.
I'm really conflicted about this subject.

Two months ago my wife and I just finished ten consecutive years of college education for our three girls (two kids in school for a couple of the years). We were fortunate, but also purposeful, in getting each of them through in four years.

We paid their tuition, books and room and board. The total tab was just under $350,000.

Would it be nice to have the $350,000 back in my bank account? Sure. But we considered it a worthy investment. I don't think its possible to come out of school with $120-150,000 in debt, start working at beginning wages, and make it in this country. You are always, at a minimum, going to be at least ten years behind where you need to be in terms of saving for a down payment on your own home, saving for assisting with your own kid's college, saving for retirement, etc... We weren't willing to put the girls behind the eight ball like that when we could afford to pay it.

But I also understand that our situation may be more unique than some others. A substantial percentage of families simply would have no ability to do what we did.

I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think I've heard it proposed yet. And that's because I don't think we've focused on what the real problem is. We seem fixated on inability to afford college as the problem, but the real problem is the cost of college.

If we focus on the inability to pay by basically having someone else pay for the kids/families if their income is low enough, by handing out grants, or any of those similar "payment" style assistance ideas, not only don't we solve the real problem, but much like health care and health insurance in this country, we probably exacerbate it. When you have one party selling a product, one party receiving the product, and a third party paying for the product, like in the healthcare industry the "free market" doesn't always work to keep prices competitive.

I'm a huge believer in advanced education, although it isn't for everyone. But I'd really like to see us focus on why college costs what it does, and what can we do to fix that, before we just start throwing more money at them through tuition assistance or subsidies.
 
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I'm really conflicted about this subject.

Two months ago my wife and I just finished ten consecutive years of college education for our three girls (two kids in school for a couple of the years). We were fortunate, but also purposeful, in getting each of them through in four years.

We paid their tuition, books and room and board. The total tab was just under $350,000.

Would it be nice to have the $350,000 back in my bank account? Sure. But we considered it a worthy investment. I don't think its possible to come out of school with $120-150,000 in debt, start working at beginning wages, and make it in this country. You are always, at a minimum, going to be at least ten years behind where you need to be in terms of saving for a down payment on your own home, saving for assisting with your own kid's college, saving for retirement, etc... We weren't willing to put the girls behind the eight ball like that when we could afford to pay it.

But I also understand that our situation may be more unique than some others. A substantial percentage of families simply would have no ability to do what we did.

I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think I've heard it proposed yet. And that's because I don't think we've focused on what the real problem is. We seem fixated on inability to afford college as the problem, but the real problem is the cost of college.

If we focus on the inability to pay by basically having someone else pay for the kids/families if their income is low enough, by handing out grants, or any of those similar "payment" style assistance ideas, not only don't we solve the real problem, but much like health care and health insurance in this country, we probably exacerbate it. When you have one party selling a product, one party receiving the product, and a third party paying for the product, like in the healthcare industry the "free market" doesn't always work to keep prices competitive.

I'm a huge believer in advanced education, although it isn't for everyone. But I'd really like to see us focus on why college costs what it does, and what can we do to fix that, before we just start throwing more money at them through tuition assistance or subsidies.

Interesting. One year ago, my wife and I finished 10 consecutive years of financing private college educations for our three daughters. They worked after their first year and received scholarship money, but it ain't cheap and it ain't easy. But, as you say, it's important. And solving the affordability problem is complicated. It strikes me, though, that the country itself eventually pays a very dear price if its citizens become less educated and that there is a "cost avoided" factor involved here. I have no clue what it is.
 
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