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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!

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They may be mindlessly angry, but it's 30 years of public policy that's driven them to this point. They're angry, they just don't understand the actual reasons why they should be angry. It ain't immigration and Muslims.

The "ignorant" label seems to be part of the game of one side- endlessly cutting education. To the point where they seem to plan bankrupt school boards so they can take them over.

It's easy to scare someone who isn't educated. Makes the whole "college boy" label quite easy.
 
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This part at least is truth:

The schism we see opening before us is not just about policies, but about reality. The Brexit forces won because cynical leaders were prepared to cater to voters’ paranoia, lying to them about the dangers of immigration and the costs of membership in the EU. Some of those leaders have already begun to admit that they were lying. Donald Trump has, of course, set a new standard for disingenuousness and catering to voters’ fears, whether over immigration or foreign trade or anything else he can think of. The Republican Party, already rife with science-deniers and economic reality-deniers, has thrown itself into the embrace of a man who fabricates realities that ignorant people like to inhabit.

Did I say “ignorant”? Yes, I did. It is necessary to say that people are deluded and that the task of leadership is to un-delude them. Is that “elitist”? Maybe it is; maybe we have become so inclined to celebrate the authenticity of all personal conviction that it is now elitist to believe in reason, expertise, and the lessons of history. If so, the party of accepting reality must be prepared to take on the party of denying reality, and its enablers among those who know better. If that is the coming realignment, we should embrace it.
 
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The "ignorant" label seems to be part of the game of one side- endlessly cutting education. To the point where they seem to plan bankrupt school boards so they can take them over.

It's easy to scare someone who isn't educated. Makes the whole "college boy" label quite easy.

It's not "ignorant" as a lack of education. It's ignorant in recognizing there are problems, there are reasons why this country is dysfunctional, why people are having it harder today than it should be, why the current generation may be the first American generation to have it worse than their parents. But they've been fed a line of horsesh*t that they believe as to why it's like that, and find easy scapegoats to blame. The gays, and foreignors, and the poor living free off the government teat, the blacks and Meskins stealing their jobs. It's easy to blame their lot in life on simple, easily identifiable targets. .

When the reality is, the government, the rich, and the big corporations sold that American dream out from under them, all in the pursuit of ever more riches.
 
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When the reality is, the government, the rich, and the big corporations sold that American dream out from under them, all in the pursuit of ever more riches.

This.
 
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Carter had bad timing. He and Hoover both get undeserved bad raps. (And both were victims of an international economy they didn't create.)

Even though Dubya is the worst president in 100 years, it's going to be hard to beat Buchanan. Dubya may have destroyed the economy and our foreign policy for a generation, but he didn't run us into a civil war. He will forever be, at worst, #2 GOAT.

Admittedly Buchanan was handed crap on a stick. He just had no competence to do anything other than let it get worse.
 
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Both are to keep vistors out without permission

Except one of those walls will take years to build, cost the taxpayers billions of dollars to construct, and will be actively circumvented by traffickers and desperate migrants by the time the concrete is barely dry.
 
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If you actually wanted to put a dent in illegal immigration to the US, then you would start by making the fines for employing them astronomical and give the INS the resources to crack down on the agribusinesses, restaurants, landscapers/lawn services, and construction companies that pay them off the books.

But that would mean Mr. and Mrs. Buttofucko in Marin County couldn't pay Billy Johnson's Lawn Service a paltry $150/week to get all of the yardwork done on their 5-acre estate, while the California fruit farms would grind to a screeching halt, and 1/3 to half of the restaurants on the coasts in the US would shut down overnight, so it won't happen.
 
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It's not "ignorant" as a lack of education. It's ignorant in recognizing there are problems, there are reasons why this country is dysfunctional, why people are having it harder today than it should be, why the current generation may be the first American generation to have it worse than their parents. But they've been fed a line of horsesh*t that they believe as to why it's like that, and find easy scapegoats to blame. The gays, and foreignors, and the poor living free off the government teat, the blacks and Meskins stealing their jobs. It's easy to blame their lot in life on simple, easily identifiable targets. .

When the reality is, the government, the rich, and the big corporations sold that American dream out from under them, all in the pursuit of ever more riches.

Part of the reason people are having it hard is that they don't get the proper education. I work for one of those big corporations, and there's a serious lack of engineers (we have close to 400 openings all the time), we have noted a SHARP drop off in the number of people that can be technicians, etc. This whole STEM thing is real. Very, very real. We hire people who are not US citizens because NOBODY IS APPLYING.

On NPR this morning was a story about some recent grad from Business school who can't get a job. Had it been college of Engineering, there are a lot of high paying opportunities.

To me, this is the first generation where the free education opportunities were less than the past, and that the cost of higher ed was massively higher.

Which leads to people who can't come up with a creative thought, and rely on others to tell them how it is.
 
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When Bernie right he's really right.

There is something very positive in a major party candidate speaking truth to power like that. I hope he and Warren have shown young liberals the path to taking over the party en route to giving us a sincere liberal majority in government. We can still leave America better than when we found it.
 
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If you actually wanted to put a dent in illegal immigration to the US, then you would start by making the fines for employing them astronomical and give the INS the resources to crack down on the agribusinesses, restaurants, landscapers/lawn services, and construction companies that pay them off the books.

But that would mean Mr. and Mrs. Buttofucko in Marin County couldn't pay Billy Johnson's Lawn Service a paltry $150/week to get all of the yardwork done on their 5-acre estate, while the California fruit farms would grind to a screeching halt, and 1/3 to half of the restaurants on the coasts in the US would shut down overnight, so it won't happen.


And Donnie Trump wouldn't have a steady supply of chambermaids and poolboys to staff his over-priced "luxury" resorts.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop

And Donnie Trump wouldn't have a steady supply of chambermaids and poolboys to staff his over-priced "luxury" resorts.

Not to mention wives.
 
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When Bernie right he's really right.

There is something very positive in a major party candidate speaking truth to power like that. I hope he and Warren have shown young liberals the path to taking over the party en route to giving us a sincere liberal majority in government. We can still leave America better than when we found it.

Agree with Bernie's diagnosis. However one thing I've noticed of all candidates be it Clinton, Trump, Sanders, or the rest of the clowns who ran in the GOP primary is nobody has any solutions for the plight of working class people.

So, higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and health care as well as higher taxes on the rich to pay for college tuition I'm all on board with. The problem is that only helps people tread water better, not vault them into the middle class. IMHO this is the most difficult problem facing the country.
 
Agree with Bernie's diagnosis. However one thing I've noticed of all candidates be it Clinton, Trump, Sanders, or the rest of the clowns who ran in the GOP primary is nobody has any solutions for the plight of working class people.

So, higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and health care as well as higher taxes on the rich to pay for college tuition I'm all on board with. The problem is that only helps people tread water better, not vault them into the middle class. IMHO this is the most difficult problem facing the country.

Middle class killed by outsourcing jobs along with M&A activity. Synergies and efficiency only flowed to stock holders and Sr. Managers.

The trick now is to ****** those benefits (tax code) and reinstate some form of glass/steagal to devolved all those "too big to fail" companies.

The political will though is greatly lacking on all sides.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop

Agree with Bernie's diagnosis. However one thing I've noticed of all candidates be it Clinton, Trump, Sanders, or the rest of the clowns who ran in the GOP primary is nobody has any solutions for the plight of working class people.

So, higher minimum wage, expanded Social Security and health care as well as higher taxes on the rich to pay for college tuition I'm all on board with. The problem is that only helps people tread water better, not vault them into the middle class. IMHO this is the most difficult problem facing the country.

No one move will bring back the middle class. You start with getting people to tread water and go from there.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop

Middle class killed by outsourcing jobs along with M&A activity. Synergies and efficiency only flowed to stock holders and Sr. Managers.

The trick now is to ****** those benefits (tax code) and reinstate some form of glass/steagal to devolved all those "too big to fail" companies.

The political will though is greatly lacking on all sides.

We need to focus on making stuff. that's the key.

That's how wealth is made- the process of taking a raw material and transforming it into something useful.

Vs. trading on the "value" of part of a company. And giving big tax credits to trade on those values of stuff. Trump is a real estate guy- who trade on convincing someone that the value of something is more. And you get a tax break if you hold onto that for a year.

Make something that actually makes peoples lives better does that, and adds many levels of jobs from taking the stuff out of the ground to moving the product to stores.

Making ALL income equal will go a long way to reminding people that making stuff is worthwhile.
 
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No one move will bring back the middle class. You start with getting people to tread water and go from there.

You give people the tools. The people themselves will create their way. Liberalism is at its best when it is cropping the mountains to fill in the valleys. Give people safety from the wolves at the door and they themselves will create the new prosperity.
 
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